Re: Giving away too-big clothes

[Crafting Mom]

Ignoramus16911 > wrote:
>IMHO, there is nothing wrong with wearing XL clothes even if you are
>size small. You still look decent.

I agree. With the exception of some clothes (fancy dinner jackets or
what have you), I have kept a few of my favorite things for wearing
around the house.
CM
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[Miss Jaime]

On 28 Oct 2003 16:12:04 GMT, (beeswing) wrote:


>Please read the response I wrote Ignoramus. This no longer works, except for
>unisex teeshirts and such -- and even those fit badly and make me sloppy. But I
>wear my favorite ones occasionally, anyway....

You can always save the big teeshirts and wear them to bed.

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
wrote:


>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
>sizes around.

So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?

[janice]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:18:53 -0500, Miss Jaime >
wrote:


>You can always save the big teeshirts and wear them to bed.

LOL - for me, after losing weight would be a funny time to start
wearing clothing in bed - it would be the first time I'd done that
since I was a child:)
janice

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 11:41 AM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> jmk wrote:
>
>>On 10/28/2003 11:05 AM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
>>
>>>jmk wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't think that it's a good idea to keep the cloths. It shouldn't be
>>>>easy or convenient for you to regain.
>>>
>>>Um, being fat is pretty inconvenient even if you already have
>>>clothes!!!
>>
>>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
>>sizes around. Part of the new WOE should involve changing to only
>>clothing in your current size. Of course this kind of evolves since
>>many people don't get a whole new wardrobe right away. If you have
>>these larger cloths around, the pants test doesn't work too well...
>
>
> I understand that you want to throw away old clothes to feel more
> committed. What I do not understand is why you would be more
> committed if you do it. If yuo are so committed that you are willing
> the risk of buying new clothes, then why throw them away in the first
> place?

Firstly, I GIVE them away, I do no throw them away. Secondly, I GIVE
them away because I no longer need them and I am planning to not need
them in the future. Futhermore, someone else could probably make better
use of them than me -- what with them sitting aroudn going unworn and
all. Besides, I need the closet space for my new clothes.

Why do you want to hang on to your old clothing? Are you so insecure
that you think that you will need them again in the future? If not, why
not donate them to your church/goodwill/salvation army so that someone
else can use them?

--
jmk in NC

[Crafting Mom]

Miss Jaime > wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
>wrote:
>
>
>>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
>>sizes around.
>
>So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?

Donate clothing you don't feel you will use at anytime in the future to
charity. I do it all the time.

CM
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[jmk]

hehe! Nope. That's a goal, not a safety net.

On 10/28/2003 11:38 AM, Miss Jaime wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
>>sizes around.
>
>
> So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?

--
jmk in NC

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:55:43 GMT, Crafting Mom
> wrote:

>Miss Jaime > wrote:
>>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
>>>sizes around.
>>
>>So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?
>
>Donate clothing you don't feel you will use at anytime in the future to
>charity. I do it all the time.
>
>CM

Now there is an idea and a good way for me to thin out my tiny closet
for future smaller clothes.

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:02 +0000, (janice) wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:18:53 -0500, Miss Jaime >
>wrote:
>
>
>>You can always save the big teeshirts and wear them to bed.
>
>LOL - for me, after losing weight would be a funny time to start
>wearing clothing in bed - it would be the first time I'd done that
>since I was a child:)
>janice

Not me. I often wear teeshirts and shorts to bed because I find the
long nightgowns I have wrap around my legs at night and annoy me.

Then there are other benefits to wearing teeshirts (minus the shorts)
in bed but I won't go into that here. It is best kept for another
group entirely. :-)

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 12:02 PM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> jmk wrote:
>
>>Firstly, I GIVE them away, I do no throw them away. Secondly, I
>
>
> does not matter

Sure it does. One way they get used by someone and the other way the
fill a landfill.

>>GIVE them away because I no longer need them and I am planning to
>>not need them in the future.
>
>
> given pretty said dieting/maintenance statistics, I am not sure if you
> have a basis for firmly believing that you will never need clothes.

So you think that we should all set ourselves up for failure? I do


>>Futhermore, someone else could probably make better use of them than
>>me -- what with them sitting aroudn going unworn and all. Besides,
>>I need the closet space for my new clothes.
>
>
> Now, lack of closet space is a better reason, I agree.
>
>
>>Why do you want to hang on to your old clothing?
>
>
> Because I know that it is quite possible that I will regain my
> weight. The statistics is fairly grim, most people regain weight after
> weight loss. I obviously hope and will work to ensure that it won't
> happen, but these are hopes and there is no certainty.
>
>
>>Are you so insecure that you think that you will need them again in
>>the future?
>
>
> Of course! I think that I *might* need them in the future.
>
> And if you are so "secure", I urge you to reconsider your
> overconfident attitude.

Just because you lack confidence in your ability to maintain your weight
does not mean that others should follow suit. Why shouldn't I be
confident that I can maintain my goal weight? Why should I set myself
up for failure?

>
>
>>If not, why not donate them to your
>>church/goodwill/salvation army so that someone else can use them?
>
>
> because I may need to use them, that's why.
>
> I noticed that some people become pretty upset when I point out
> that their (and mine) weight loss may be only temporary. To me it
> sounds more like denial than genuine commitment.

No, I don't find it upsetting. I just don't understand why you are
setting yourself up that way. To me hanging onto clothing that no
longer fits you seems to show the need for a safety net. You might want
to exam your need to hang onto these relics of your former life.

--
jmk in NC

[Miss Jaime]

On 28 Oct 2003 17:09:21 GMT, Ignoramus16911
> wrote:


>
>can you lose weight first?

Well I *could* but I should really see what is in there too.
It is packed *solid*.

[janice]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:58 -0500, Miss Jaime >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:02 +0000, (janice) wrote:
>
>>LOL - for me, after losing weight would be a funny time to start
>>wearing clothing in bed - it would be the first time I'd done that
>>since I was a child:)
>>janice
>
>Not me. I often wear teeshirts and shorts to bed because I find the
>long nightgowns I have wrap around my legs at night and annoy me.

Who said anything about nightgowns? I certainly didn't:)
janice

[Banty]

In article >, Ignoramus16911 says...
>
>In article >, jmk wrote:
>> Firstly, I GIVE them away, I do no throw them away. Secondly, I
>
>does not matter
>
>> GIVE them away because I no longer need them and I am planning to
>> not need them in the future.
>
>given pretty said dieting/maintenance statistics, I am not sure if you
>have a basis for firmly believing that you will never need clothes.
>
>> Futhermore, someone else could probably make better use of them than
>> me -- what with them sitting aroudn going unworn and all. Besides,
>> I need the closet space for my new clothes.
>
>Now, lack of closet space is a better reason, I agree.
>
>> Why do you want to hang on to your old clothing?
>
>Because I know that it is quite possible that I will regain my
>weight. The statistics is fairly grim, most people regain weight after
>weight loss. I obviously hope and will work to ensure that it won't
>happen, but these are hopes and there is no certainty.

But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the dieting
process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know better - no? At least
have the opportunity to maintain.

So the way to avoid getting fat again, to me, is to only have clothes that fit
you at maintenance weight once you get there. It's a concrete reason to stay
slim - you can't fit anymore in your clothes if you start creeping up in weight
again! If they start to get tight, the clothes become your conscience :-)

It's not like, if there were some situation where weight gain was especially
hard to avoid (like injury or grieving or something), you'd go naked - then
you'd have to buy a few things. But having to do so would be a disincentive for
normal situations.

I think much of the reason I gained 40 lbs over about eight years was that I
moved to elastic-waist and knit clothing for comfort and because I liked the
styles. This also happened to a friend of mine, who gained 25 lbs and didn't
know it until her next checkup! (She cried.) Also for me - I got into this
attitude that I'm in my '40s, I don't have to look svelte, I can have this
mature-mother presence. Until my bro got diabetes.... Plus I look like a tank
being six foot tall if I'm heavy - I'm not the type that gets 'pleasingly
plump'. I saw some pictures of me and said "ohmygosh that's *not* looking
maternal and wise - that's looking just scary". Stupid stupid stupid.

So my plan is:
1) I've given away most of my 'fat' clothes, and I'll give away my transitional
wardrobe too once I lose the final 15.
2) Never - ever - ever - live in elastic stretchy clothes the way I did. Set
in waistbands - a Good Thing.

I can relate, though to the OP. There are certain fat things I *won't* give
away for sentimental reasons (same for some of the skinny stuff I had cleared
out years earlier). For the transitional wardrobe I'm still wearing now -
yeah, they're pretty new and more fashionable than the 205 lb clothes, although
they're just basics - I think I'll have a hard time giving those away.

BTW, someone mentioned in another thread about losing weight in chunks. I did
that - 25 lbs., maintain for 6 months, now (after what seemed to be a 6 week
period of cutting back on portions without getting weight loss - like an
induction period) I'm losing again.

Banty (205/177/165)

[Crafting Mom]

Ignoramus16911 > wrote:
>the risk of buying new clothes, then why throw them away in the first
>place?

I've not given away *all* my clothes. I wear my "fat shirts" for around
the house, and they've been either re-assigned the office of "apron", or
"nightgown".

However, what do you find objectionable about donating clothes for which
one no longer has any use (or foresees needing)? Or have I
misunderstood you?

CM
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 1:03 PM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> In article >, jmk wrote:
>
>>>>GIVE them away because I no longer need them and I am planning to
>>>>not need them in the future.
>>>
>>>given pretty said dieting/maintenance statistics, I am not sure if you
>>>have a basis for firmly believing that you will never need clothes.
>>
>>So you think that we should all set ourselves up for failure? I do
>
>
> Did you mean to say that you do not?
>
> Anyway. Do you consider wearing a seatbelt as "setting yourself up for
> accidents"? If not... I am sure that you are a diligent driver and use
> your seatbelt just in case.
>
> Same here.

No but I do make sure that the seat belt fits. Anyway, that's not the
same and you know it.

>
>
>>>>Are you so insecure that you think that you will need them again in
>>>>the future?
>>>
>>>Of course! I think that I *might* need them in the future.
>>>
>>>And if you are so "secure", I urge you to reconsider your
>>>overconfident attitude.
>>
>>Just because you lack confidence in your ability to maintain your weight
>>does not mean that others should follow suit.
>
>
> What is the source of your confidence?
>
> Why do you think that you are so different from millions of other
> people who lost weight, threw away their clothes and regained weight
> in a year or two?

They use diets. I changed my way of life.

>
> How much weight did you lose? How quickly? On what program? Have you
> had previously unsuccessful dieting attempts? What is your diet? How
> much do you exercise? Do you have a history of eating disorder? All
> those are questions to consider to figure out how likely you are to
> regain weight. And even if all answers point out to the best
> likelihood of your success, it is still quite possible if not likely
> that you will regain.

If you have been paying attention you would know the answer to the above
questions. I don't care to repeat all of that at this time. Why are
you so insecure? It sounds like you have some issues to deal with.

>
> Statistics is, as I sad, very grim. It should not deter you from
> trying but you need to be open minded.

Yes, dieters are generally not successful. We all know that. That is
one reason that we are here.

>
>
>>Why shouldn't I be confident that I can maintain my goal weight?
>
>
> So far I have not heard a single *reason* why you should be confident.
>
>
>>Why should I set myself up for failure?
>
>
> Being prepared does not set you up for failure.

Yes it does. You are PLANNING to fail.

>
> Denial of the possibility of failure however, is never a good thing.

Of course not.

>
> Recognizing that weight regain is a possibility, would make you more
> likely to succeed than the denial of that possibility that you are
> exhibiting. You would be more alert.

I don't follow what you are trying to say. So you want to keep around
clothing that is currently too large for you "just in case." That is
going to make you more diligent?

--
jmk in NC

[Crafting Mom]

Banty > wrote:
>But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the dieting
>process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know better - no? At least
>have the opportunity to maintain.

Bingo! When something works, you *stick* *with* *it*. Note, I am not
saying *which* diet you should follow. That's up to each person and
*their* bodies. But stick with it for life! Modify it every now and
then if you get bored, but for the most part, stick with it.

>I can relate, though to the OP. There are certain fat things I *won't* give
>away for sentimental reasons (same for some of the skinny stuff I had cleared
>out years earlier). For the transitional wardrobe I'm still wearing now -
>yeah, they're pretty new and more fashionable than the 205 lb clothes, although
>they're just basics - I think I'll have a hard time giving those away.

Yes, I agree.

>BTW, someone mentioned in another thread about losing weight in chunks. I did
>that - 25 lbs., maintain for 6 months, now (after what seemed to be a 6 week
>period of cutting back on portions without getting weight loss - like an
>induction period) I'm losing again.

Congrats!

CM
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[Perple Glow]

It depends on how old and out of date it is... If you haven't worn it in
3-4 years, I would...

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
> wrote:
>
>
> >I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
> >sizes around.
>
> So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?

[Perple Glow]

Yeah... and the donation is a tax write off too!

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"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:55:43 GMT, Crafting Mom
> > wrote:
>
> >Miss Jaime > wrote:
> >>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
> >>>sizes around.
> >>
> >>So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?
> >
> >Donate clothing you don't feel you will use at anytime in the future to
> >charity. I do it all the time.
> >
> >CM
>
> Now there is an idea and a good way for me to thin out my tiny closet
> for future smaller clothes.
>

[Perple Glow]

Incentive NOT to regain the weight!

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"Ignoramus16911" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, jmk wrote:
> > On 10/28/2003 11:05 AM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> >> jmk wrote:
> >>>I don't think that it's a good idea to keep the cloths. It shouldn't
be
> >>>easy or convenient for you to regain.
> >> Um, being fat is pretty inconvenient even if you already have
> >> clothes!!!
> >
> > I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
> > sizes around. Part of the new WOE should involve changing to only
> > clothing in your current size. Of course this kind of evolves since
> > many people don't get a whole new wardrobe right away. If you have
> > these larger cloths around, the pants test doesn't work too well...
>
> I understand that you want to throw away old clothes to feel more
> committed. What I do not understand is why you would be more
> committed if you do it. If yuo are so committed that you are willing
> the risk of buying new clothes, then why throw them away in the first
> place?
>
> i

[Crafting Mom]

Perple Glow > wrote:
>I spent this past weekend cleaning out my closet and dresser... 9 bags of
>clothes got donated. I can tell you, after losing alot of weight.... all I
>want to do is fit into the smallest size I can. I don't want to keep the
>bigger sizes!! I had clothes from the 90's.... all different sizes. I even
>donated clothes that fit, since I haven't worn them in ages. There is
>something great about shopping for a smaller size!

And the recipients of those donations will be grateful.
When I was heavier, I certainly appreciated the availability of larger
sized clothing at the second hand shops.

CM
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[Perple Glow]

Unless you don't sleep in clothes *wink*

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"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On 28 Oct 2003 16:12:04 GMT, (beeswing) wrote:
>
>
> >Please read the response I wrote Ignoramus. This no longer works, except
for
> >unisex teeshirts and such -- and even those fit badly and make me sloppy.
But I
> >wear my favorite ones occasionally, anyway....
>
> You can always save the big teeshirts and wear them to bed.
>

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 1:25 PM, Crafting Mom wrote:
> Banty > wrote:
>
>>But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the dieting
>>process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know better - no? At least
>>have the opportunity to maintain.
>
>
> Bingo! When something works, you *stick* *with* *it*. Note, I am not
> saying *which* diet you should follow. That's up to each person and
> *their* bodies. But stick with it for life! Modify it every now and
> then if you get bored, but for the most part, stick with it.

Right, it's your body. You live in it, not me... It's an individual
decision but I think that we would all encourage people to try to make a
healthy choice that they can live with. As far as regaining -- I think
that many folks get into a "dieting" mindset and when they reach their
goal, well, they're done. Uh, no. I know that I will need to keep a
food log and a weight log for the forseeable future -- maybe forever.
I'm fine with that. For me it's a portion control thing as much as
anything -- plus keeping fruit, etc. in the house.

CM, I think that you mentioned that you have a supportive environment.
That sure helps. DH really likes our WOE. We have organized or recipes
(used scanner to copy them and put them in a binder with sheet
protectors for easy access, each recipe has nutritional info too).

>>BTW, someone mentioned in another thread about losing weight in chunks. I did
>>that - 25 lbs., maintain for 6 months, now (after what seemed to be a 6 week
>>period of cutting back on portions without getting weight loss - like an
>>induction period) I'm losing again.
>
> Congrats!

Banty, I'm so glad to hear that worked for you. I had an intermediate
goal and when I reached it, I just kept going. I actually said that I
could buy a new bike then but I decided to wait on that. :-) My
current bike fits me better at my current weight and I didn't find a
model that I *had* to have. I think that it's nice to have intermediate
or mini-goals.

--
jmk in NC

[Perple Glow]

You should have seen the bright pink skirt suit with the huge shoulder pads.
It was from 1991 or 1992 I think. I wonder what I was thinking in keeping
it!!! Blech!!

I am glad to donate... I usually bring stuff every year to goodwill....

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"Crafting Mom" > wrote in message
...
> Perple Glow > wrote:
> >I spent this past weekend cleaning out my closet and dresser... 9 bags of
> >clothes got donated. I can tell you, after losing alot of weight.... all
I
> >want to do is fit into the smallest size I can. I don't want to keep the
> >bigger sizes!! I had clothes from the 90's.... all different sizes. I
even
> >donated clothes that fit, since I haven't worn them in ages. There is
> >something great about shopping for a smaller size!
>
> And the recipients of those donations will be grateful.
> When I was heavier, I certainly appreciated the availability of larger
> sized clothing at the second hand shops.
>
> CM
> --
> Drop everything and do it my way :)
>

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:29:57 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> wrote:

>Unless you don't sleep in clothes *wink*

I have to sleep in something. The lock on my bedroom door is busted.

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:26:28 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> wrote:

>Yeah... and the donation is a tax write off too!

I'm not concerned about that but I can give things I dont think I will
wear in the future to a battered women's shelter.

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:26:03 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> wrote:

>It depends on how old and out of date it is... If you haven't worn it in
>3-4 years, I would...

This gives me something to do this coming weekend.

Closet reorganizing. :-)

[Banty]

In article >, Crafting Mom says...
>
>Banty > wrote:
>>But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the dieting
>>process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know better - no? At least
>>have the opportunity to maintain.
>
>Bingo! When something works, you *stick* *with* *it*. Note, I am not
>saying *which* diet you should follow. That's up to each person and
>*their* bodies. But stick with it for life! Modify it every now and
>then if you get bored, but for the most part, stick with it.
>
>>I can relate, though to the OP. There are certain fat things I *won't* give
>>away for sentimental reasons (same for some of the skinny stuff I had cleared
>>out years earlier). For the transitional wardrobe I'm still wearing now -
>>yeah, they're pretty new and more fashionable than the 205 lb clothes, although
>>they're just basics - I think I'll have a hard time giving those away.
>
>Yes, I agree.
>
>>BTW, someone mentioned in another thread about losing weight in chunks. I did
>>that - 25 lbs., maintain for 6 months, now (after what seemed to be a 6 week
>>period of cutting back on portions without getting weight loss - like an
>>induction period) I'm losing again.
>
>Congrats!
>
>CM


Thanks, CM :-)

[Miss Jaime]

On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:39 GMT, Ignoramus16911
> wrote:



>My need is twofold. One, I can still use them around the yard etc. As
>for my XL polo shirts, they still look decent on me even though my new
>clothes are size S and M. Two, I recognize the possibility of my
>weight regain and do not want to be like ostriches who hide their
>heads in the sand. Obviously I will make an effort to not regain
>weight.

While I enjoy your posts, you remind me a lot of my ex boyfriend.

He is long-winded and sometimes holier-then-thou too.

P.S.....and I mean that in a very respectful way. :-)

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:31:56 +0000, (janice) wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:03:58 -0500, Miss Jaime >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:02 +0000, (janice) wrote:
>>
>>>LOL - for me, after losing weight would be a funny time to start
>>>wearing clothing in bed - it would be the first time I'd done that
>>>since I was a child:)
>>>janice
>>
>>Not me. I often wear teeshirts and shorts to bed because I find the
>>long nightgowns I have wrap around my legs at night and annoy me.
>
>Who said anything about nightgowns? I certainly didn't:)
>janice

Okay. LOL!!

[Banty]

In article >, Ignoramus16911 says...
>
>In article >, jmk wrote:
>>>>GIVE them away because I no longer need them and I am planning to
>>>>not need them in the future.
>>>
>>> given pretty said dieting/maintenance statistics, I am not sure if you
>>> have a basis for firmly believing that you will never need clothes.
>>
>> So you think that we should all set ourselves up for failure? I do
>
>Did you mean to say that you do not?
>
>Anyway. Do you consider wearing a seatbelt as "setting yourself up for
>accidents"? If not... I am sure that you are a diligent driver and use
>your seatbelt just in case.
>
>Same here.
>
>>>>Are you so insecure that you think that you will need them again in
>>>>the future?
>>>
>>> Of course! I think that I *might* need them in the future.
>>>
>>> And if you are so "secure", I urge you to reconsider your
>>> overconfident attitude.
>>
>> Just because you lack confidence in your ability to maintain your weight
>> does not mean that others should follow suit.
>
>What is the source of your confidence?
>
>Why do you think that you are so different from millions of other
>people who lost weight, threw away their clothes and regained weight
>in a year or two?
>
>How much weight did you lose? How quickly? On what program? Have you
>had previously unsuccessful dieting attempts? What is your diet? How
>much do you exercise? Do you have a history of eating disorder? All
>those are questions to consider to figure out how likely you are to
>regain weight. And even if all answers point out to the best
>likelihood of your success, it is still quite possible if not likely
>that you will regain.
>
>Statistics is, as I sad, very grim. It should not deter you from
>trying but you need to be open minded.
>
>> Why shouldn't I be confident that I can maintain my goal weight?
>
>So far I have not heard a single *reason* why you should be confident.
>
>> Why should I set myself up for failure?
>
>Being prepared does not set you up for failure.

But does it really help you to be prepared even? If you regain, the styles
would have changed. You can buy some basics if you have to if you do regain.

So it's just a few $$$ saved. Not like you might need to reach for your fat
clothes in case of a fire.

Methinks it's the packrat talking (nothing against packrats - I *are* one. It's
the thinking I recognize - "I might need that if __enter some unlikely
circumstance here__. When actually one is better off having to perhaps very
rarely have to buy for that rare circumstance, and not cluttering up one's life,
and getting something better suited to the circumstance anyway.)

Banty

[Melissa]

>
> I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
> sizes around. Part of the new WOE should involve changing to only
> clothing in your current size.

The only thing I like to keep in mind is a women's fluctuations during the
month. It's nice to have work pants and at least one pair of decent jeans
that are more roomy for those "bloat" times. Nothing is worse than having to
wear too tight pants all day at work.

Of course, I'm not talking wild size ranges here, for me it means having
Dockers in 4's and 6's because of the different fits on some styles and how
many times they've been washed etc.

Melissa

[Perple Glow]

That is a great idea... If they have a tax id#, then you can get a receipt
from them as well. You will help other women and yourself... a win win
situation.

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"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:26:28 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> > wrote:
>
> >Yeah... and the donation is a tax write off too!
>
> I'm not concerned about that but I can give things I dont think I will
> wear in the future to a battered women's shelter.
>

[Perple Glow]

Yup... I had fun on Sunday!

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"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:26:03 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> > wrote:
>
> >It depends on how old and out of date it is... If you haven't worn it in
> >3-4 years, I would...
>
> This gives me something to do this coming weekend.
>
> Closet reorganizing. :-)
>

[Perple Glow]

I agree with you completely! It was laughable when I was going through my 2
dressers and packed closet. There were clothes in there that I would never
wear again yet I kept. I don't want to keep fat clothes just in case. That
is looking at changing my WOL as a cup 1/2 empty....

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"Banty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> >
> >> Why should I set myself up for failure?
> >
> >Being prepared does not set you up for failure.
>
> But does it really help you to be prepared even? If you regain, the
styles
> would have changed. You can buy some basics if you have to if you do
regain.
>
> So it's just a few $$$ saved. Not like you might need to reach for your
fat
> clothes in case of a fire.
>
> Methinks it's the packrat talking (nothing against packrats - I *are* one.
It's
> the thinking I recognize - "I might need that if __enter some unlikely
> circumstance here__. When actually one is better off having to perhaps
very
> rarely have to buy for that rare circumstance, and not cluttering up one's
life,
> and getting something better suited to the circumstance anyway.)
>
> Banty
>

[Perple Glow]

Where did you lose him? He says that wearing and keeping clothes that fit
as you thin down help you stay aware of your weight. It is harder to gain
weight, as you may be more consious of how the clothes fit. In addition,
styles do change... and keeping clothes in anticipation of gaining weight is
a waste of space. You can greatly help someone in need....

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"Ignoramus16911" > wrote in message
...

> > So the way to avoid getting fat again, to me, is to only have
> > clothes that fit you at maintenance weight once you get there. It's
> > a concrete reason to stay slim - you can't fit anymore in your
> > clothes if you start creeping up in weight again! If they start to
> > get tight, the clothes become your conscience :-)
>
> You lose me here. Keep old clothes or not, if you wear new clothes,
> you would notice that you are getting fat! Or if you ever step on the
> scale.
>

[Perple Glow]

Get a new lock??

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"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:29:57 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> > wrote:
>
> >Unless you don't sleep in clothes *wink*
>
> I have to sleep in something. The lock on my bedroom door is busted.
>

[Miss Jaime]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:18 GMT, "Perple Glow"
> wrote:

>Get a new lock??

Been meaning too but since I do not have a current boyfriend it isn't
high on my list of priorities at the moment.

[Miss Jaime]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:08:28 GMT, "MH" >
wrote:


>Me too, it's something he does all the time. What works for him, he thinks
>should work for everyone. Simplistic.

That was why I commented that he reminded me of my ex boyfriend who
also thought (and probably still does) what works for him has to work
for everyone else.

[Crafting Mom]

Perple Glow > wrote:
>I agree with you completely! It was laughable when I was going through my 2
>dressers and packed closet. There were clothes in there that I would never
>wear again yet I kept. I don't want to keep fat clothes just in case. That
>is looking at changing my WOL as a cup 1/2 empty....

Not to mention... people don't just suddenly wake up a whole new clothes
size the next day. It progresses one way or the other. There's time to
make adjustments accordingly to where your body goes.

cm
--
Drop everything and do it my way :)

[Miss Jaime]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:46:23 GMT, Crafting Mom
> wrote:


>Not to mention... people don't just suddenly wake up a whole new clothes
>size the next day. It progresses one way or the other. There's time to
>make adjustments accordingly to where your body goes.

Just the other day my youngest son asked me what I would do if I woke
up one morning and I was skinny.

First I told him I would wonder where in the *heck* the rest of me
went on my way to the bathroom and then told him I would hopefully
find *something* wearable in my closet because all my present clothes
would be falling off me, and then....go SHOPPING!!

[Miss Jaime]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:07:41 GMT, "MH" >
wrote:


>But, it's time to get rid of the too big stuff. I will not gain this weight
>back.

Good for you Martha. You sound very determined. :-)

[MH]

"Miss Jaime" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:07:41 GMT, "MH" >
> wrote:
>
>
> >But, it's time to get rid of the too big stuff. I will not gain this
weight
> >back.
>
> Good for you Martha. You sound very determined. :-)
>
Thanks to many of you, I am. : )

Martha

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 3:35 PM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> I am not insecure, as such, I am realistic and I admit the possibility
> of failure. You do not admit such a possibility. Let's see who is fat
> in 5 years, you or me.

It's a date then!

Clearly you want to hang onto your too-big clothing. Go for it.
Obviously, I don't agree with this strategy nor do I plan to use it
myself. I would not recommend this strategy simply because, as someone
more eloquent that I put it, your waist band can be your conscious.

--
jmk in NC

[jmk]

On 10/28/2003 3:46 PM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
> Banty wrote:
>>But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the
>>dieting process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know
>>better - no? At least have the opportunity to maintain.
>
>
> I am not sure.
>
> Maybe the people who regain do not know better. So they lose weight
> and then return to old habits.
>
> But they still step on the scale, right? Or they stop fitting in their
> new beautiful clothes.

I think that part of the problem is that they *don't* continue to step
on the scale or monitor themselves in other ways (how clothing fits
might be a way or measurements or bf%, etc.). Frequent self-monitoring
is one of the success factors that I see mentioned all of the time. Of
course, so is sticking with your exercise plan :-)

"successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30
kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies,
including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body
weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical activity.
Weight loss maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful
maintainers have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of
longer-term success greatly increase."
Annu Rev Nutr. 2001;21:323-41

>
> Is that not a good enough signal to them that they are regaining?
>
> And yet they ignore it, buy bigger clothes, keep overeating etc.

hehe! Maybe they don't have to buy bigger clothes! Maybe they just
start wearing the larger sized clothing that they already had in the
house :-)

>
> It is not that simple. They get off the diet

Ah, but this is the problem. Don't you think that people with a "diet"
mentality versus as WOE mentality have different approaches?

I'm not sure the best way to explain what I mean. A few years ago we
adopted a rescue dog. She had some issues but we worked through them.
One of the things that she needed to learn is "this is how we do things
here." I think that is one of the things that we all need to learn with
our healthier WOE. This is how we eat now.

>>So my plan is:
>>2) Never - ever - ever - live in elastic stretchy clothes the way I
>>did. Set in waistbands - a Good Thing.

Yes, Banty, I have heard this recommended by many many people. Elastic
waist, very bad. Gives you no feedback. It's not necessarily all about
your exact weight. It could be that you weigh the same but need to
excercise more, etc. It makes sense to me at least. As always, YMMV.

--
jmk in NC

[A Ross]

In article >,
(beeswing) wrote:


I clean my closets every fall and spring. If I found I haven't worn it
while it was "in-season" or it just looks plain silly on me now, I toss
it.

Most clothing I give to one of my SIL's who has a large family and
little money to spend on office attire. She seems to appreciate the
clothes, but I worry that she may feel insulted that I'm giving her what
is, when it comes down to it, my "fat" clothes. I would never call them
that, but it's obvious why I'm getting rid of them.

One thing my circle of girl friends and family have done in the past is
have a "naked ladies" party. We clean our closets and hold a clothing
swap. Everybody goes home with a few new outfits--some make out pretty
well with the stuff others have "outgrown," and others benefit from the
things that some have "outlost."

Add canapes and wine for a really good time.

Amy

[jmk]

On 10/29/2003 8:07 AM, Beverly wrote:

> I've seen people make quilts out of their favorite t-shirts. This might be
> a way for you to keep them. I've never made one but I've seen a couple my
> aunt made for her sons from their favorite shirts and they were nice.
>
> http://www.goosetracks.com/T-shirtQuilts.html

Hey, this reminds me. DH's mom made him a jeans quilt for him when he
went to college. It was all denim on one side and just squares of old
jeans (6x6 or 8x8). Very sturdy.

--
jmk in NC

[Beverly]

"jmk" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> On 10/29/2003 8:07 AM, Beverly wrote:
>
> > I've seen people make quilts out of their favorite t-shirts. This
might be
> > a way for you to keep them. I've never made one but I've seen a couple
my
> > aunt made for her sons from their favorite shirts and they were nice.
> >
> > http://www.goosetracks.com/T-shirtQuilts.html
>
> Hey, this reminds me. DH's mom made him a jeans quilt for him when he
> went to college. It was all denim on one side and just squares of old
> jeans (6x6 or 8x8). Very sturdy.
>
> --
> jmk in NC

I've never made a quilt from old jeans but I have made the teenage
granddaughters small purses/makeup bags out of the pants legs of their old
jeans. They loved them.

[Banty]

In article >, jmk says...
>
>
>
>On 10/28/2003 3:46 PM, Ignoramus16911 wrote:
>> Banty wrote:
>>>But 'most people' regain because they dont' really understand the
>>>dieting process and go back to old habits. Those on this NG know
>>>better - no? At least have the opportunity to maintain.
>>
>>
>> I am not sure.
>>
>> Maybe the people who regain do not know better. So they lose weight
>> and then return to old habits.
>>
>> But they still step on the scale, right? Or they stop fitting in their
>> new beautiful clothes.
>
>I think that part of the problem is that they *don't* continue to step
>on the scale or monitor themselves in other ways (how clothing fits
>might be a way or measurements or bf%, etc.). Frequent self-monitoring
>is one of the success factors that I see mentioned all of the time. Of
>course, so is sticking with your exercise plan :-)

The thing is that having clothes not fitting as well, and being in them all day,
is so much more concrete than where that needle (or digital readout) is on the
scale. With forgiving elastic-waist clothes, or a set of fat or transitional
clothes hanging in the closet, that needle position or LED readout just ain't
gonna pinch you the same way!

The other thing is that for a lot of people, especially women, that readout will
vary from day to day and week to week anyway, so the meaning of an increasing
reading on the scale is fuzzy.

>
>"successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30
>kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies,
>including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body
>weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical activity.
>Weight loss maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful
>maintainers have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of
>longer-term success greatly increase."
>Annu Rev Nutr. 2001;21:323-41

Ooo - I was wondering about that. Thanks for posting that - just hanging in
there makes things easier.

>
>>
>> Is that not a good enough signal to them that they are regaining?
>>
>> And yet they ignore it, buy bigger clothes, keep overeating etc.
>
>hehe! Maybe they don't have to buy bigger clothes! Maybe they just
>start wearing the larger sized clothing that they already had in the
>house :-)

'Zactly!

Banty

[Jennifer Austin]

"Perple Glow" > wrote in message
news:7wynb.37947$275.74667@attbi_s53...
> I spent this past weekend cleaning out my closet and dresser... 9 bags of
> clothes got donated. I can tell you, after losing alot of weight.... all
I
> want to do is fit into the smallest size I can. I don't want to keep the
> bigger sizes!! I had clothes from the 90's.... all different sizes. I
even
> donated clothes that fit, since I haven't worn them in ages. There is
> something great about shopping for a smaller size!
>
> --
> Email me at:
> perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
>

It's definitely a rush to think you're one size and then find out you're a
size smaller. Enjoy it!

Jenn

[Chris Braun]

I also sometimes find it sad to give away clothes that I've loved.
Mostly I only undertake this sort of thing when I'm in the right mood.
In some moods I can't bear to part with anything; in other moods I'm
more ruthless. Some things just have to wait until the next pass.

One thing that helps is I sometimes give things to people I know. For
example, I have had a lot of t-shirts that have meant something to me,
but they became too big to wear. I've given some of them to friends
at the gym. That way I know they're going to a good home :-).

There's a new TV show -- I think on the Discovery TLC channel --
called Clean Sweep. A team of organizers and decorators come into
someone's home and help them sort out and redecorate a couple of
hopeless over-cluttered rooms. They're very good at talking people
through giving things away. Watching this puts me in the right sort
of "get-rid-of-it" mood.

Chris

[Beverly]

"Chris Braun" > wrote in message
...
> I also sometimes find it sad to give away clothes that I've loved.
> Mostly I only undertake this sort of thing when I'm in the right mood.
> In some moods I can't bear to part with anything; in other moods I'm
> more ruthless. Some things just have to wait until the next pass.
>
> One thing that helps is I sometimes give things to people I know. For
> example, I have had a lot of t-shirts that have meant something to me,
> but they became too big to wear. I've given some of them to friends
> at the gym. That way I know they're going to a good home :-).
>
> There's a new TV show -- I think on the Discovery TLC channel --
> called Clean Sweep. A team of organizers and decorators come into
> someone's home and help them sort out and redecorate a couple of
> hopeless over-cluttered rooms. They're very good at talking people
> through giving things away. Watching this puts me in the right sort
> of "get-rid-of-it" mood.
>
> Chris
>
I love watching those shows. There's also one on HGTV called "Misson:
Organization".

Beverly

[Chris Braun]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:40:22 -0500, "Beverly" >
wrote:

>I love watching those shows. There's also one on HGTV called "Misson:
>Organization".

Yeah, I love that one too. Now if I could only do it :-).

Chris

[megan]

Miss Jaime > wrote in message >...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:12:39 -0500, jmk >
> wrote:
>
>
> >I still don't think that it's a good plan to have clothing in multiple
> >sizes around.
>
> So should I toss the clothing I have that is too small for me?

in general... yep! i used to keep around clothes that i had grown out
of, or that i had bought thinking, "well, they *almost* fit...", but
you know what? when i finally did lose enough weight for them to fit,
they really weren't that flattering.

i don't know if my body shape changed or what... but that's what
taught me not to buy clothes ahead of time before i hit a size...
because it's hard to tell what will flatter you when you're thinner,
since you have to imagine what "thinner" would be.

and as far as clothes i used to wear, well, it had been long enough
since i'd been this thin before, that fashions and styles had
changed... and my saved clothes had gotten faded.

point being, dammit, i worked to get thinner, so now i want to look
*good*! :)

....megan
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