22 Sep 2004 16:01:54 -0700 in article

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(Roman Bystrianyk) wrote in message . com...
http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=264

Liz Szabo,, "We should all eat like a Mediterranean", USA Today,
September 22, 2004,
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ean-usat_x.htm

Two new studies confirm the health benefits of eating the
Mediterranean way.

In a study in today's Journal of the American Medical Association,
mortality rates were 65% lower among elderly people who combined a
so-called Mediterranean diet with 30 minutes of daily exercise,
moderate drinking and no tobacco use.

Although experts say there is no single Mediterranean diet, doctors
say cuisines from these regions favor olive oil rather than butter and
include lots of legumes, nuts, seeds, grains, fish, vegetables and
potatoes but little meat and dairy.

Little dairy? Really? Then what do the mediterraneans do with all
the cheese they make? Export it? Feed it to the dogs?

The best example of Mediterranean diet is the traditional Cretan diet, which
contains relatively low amount of dairy products. Only fermented dairy
products, feta cheese and yoghurt made of goat or sheep milk are used. And
yes, Mediterranean countries do export cheese.

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Matti Narkia

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:17:13 +0300 in article
Matti Narkia
wrote:

22 Sep 2004 16:01:54 -0700 in article
m
(Tony Lew) wrote:

Little dairy? Really? Then what do the mediterraneans do with all
the cheese they make? Export it? Feed it to the dogs?

The best example of Mediterranean diet is the traditional Cretan diet, which
contains relatively low amount of dairy products. Only fermented dairy
products, feta cheese and yoghurt made of goat or sheep milk are used. And
yes, Mediterranean countries do export cheese.

There is an interesting comment about cheese in thearticle

Serge Renaud: from French paradox to Cretan miracle.
Lancet 2000; 355: 48 - 52.
URL:http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol355/iss9197/full/llan.355.9197.news.2419.1

"Renaud's answer is simple. The participants in the Lyon
study ate like Cretans: no butter, cream, or milk; lots of
vegetables, fruit, bread, and cereals; and little meat. For
the study, Renaud designed a margarine similar in
composition to olive oil, but enriched in alpha-linolenic
acid. Patients ate cheese ("a 9000 year old invention not
linked to coronary disease") and, of course, drank wine.
Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet--
walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his
margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have
been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that
"the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"."

See also

de Lorgeril M, Renaud S, Mamelle N, Salen P, Martin JL, Monjaud I,
Guidollet J, Touboul P, Delaye J.
Mediterranean alpha-linolenic acid-rich diet in secondary prevention of
coronary heart disease.
Lancet. 1994 Jun 11;343(8911):1454-9. Erratum in: Lancet 1995 Mar
18;345(8951):738.
PMID: 7911176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=791117 6&dopt=Abstract

de Lorgeril M, Salen P, Martin J-L, Monjaud I, Delaye J, Mamelle N:
Mediterranean diet, traditional risk factors and the rate of
cardiovascular complications after myocardial infarction. Final report of
the Lyon Diet Heart Study.
Circulation 1999, February 16, 99:779-785
URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/779

Leaf A.
Dietary prevention of coronary heart disease: the Lyon Diet Heart Study.
Circulation. 1999 Feb 16;99(6):733-5.
URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/733

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Matti Narkia

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:17:13 +0300 in article
Matti Narkia
wrote:

22 Sep 2004 16:01:54 -0700 in article
m
(Tony Lew) wrote:

Little dairy? Really? Then what do the mediterraneans do with all
the cheese they make? Export it? Feed it to the dogs?

The best example of Mediterranean diet is the traditional Cretan diet, which
contains relatively low amount of dairy products. Only fermented dairy
products, feta cheese and yoghurt made of goat or sheep milk are used. And
yes, Mediterranean countries do export cheese.

There is an interesting comment about cheese in thearticle

Serge Renaud: from French paradox to Cretan miracle.
Lancet 2000; 355: 48 - 52.
URL:http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol355/iss9197/full/llan.355.9197.news.2419.1

"Renaud's answer is simple. The participants in the Lyon
study ate like Cretans: no butter, cream, or milk; lots of
vegetables, fruit, bread, and cereals; and little meat. For
the study, Renaud designed a margarine similar in
composition to olive oil, but enriched in alpha-linolenic
acid. Patients ate cheese ("a 9000 year old invention not
linked to coronary disease") and, of course, drank wine.
Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet--
walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his
margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have
been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that
"the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"."

See also

de Lorgeril M, Renaud S, Mamelle N, Salen P, Martin JL, Monjaud I,
Guidollet J, Touboul P, Delaye J.
Mediterranean alpha-linolenic acid-rich diet in secondary prevention of
coronary heart disease.
Lancet. 1994 Jun 11;343(8911):1454-9. Erratum in: Lancet 1995 Mar
18;345(8951):738.
PMID: 7911176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=791117 6&dopt=Abstract

de Lorgeril M, Salen P, Martin J-L, Monjaud I, Delaye J, Mamelle N:
Mediterranean diet, traditional risk factors and the rate of
cardiovascular complications after myocardial infarction. Final report of
the Lyon Diet Heart Study.
Circulation 1999, February 16, 99:779-785
URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/779

Leaf A.
Dietary prevention of coronary heart disease: the Lyon Diet Heart Study.
Circulation. 1999 Feb 16;99(6):733-5.
URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/733

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Matti Narkia

"We should all eat like a Mediterranean",

I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a
Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!)

In article ,
(Roman Bystrianyk) wrote:

In a study in today's Journal of the American Medical Association,
mortality rates were 65% lower among elderly people who combined a
so-called Mediterranean diet with 30 minutes of daily exercise,
moderate drinking and no tobacco use.

What a useless freaking study! How much lower was the mortality rate
among elderly people who combined ANY diet plan or WOE with 30 minutes
of daily exercise, moderate drinking, and no tobacco use?!

Don't like your initial results? Keep adding factor elements until you
see a number you like. Ridiculous.

KeS

In article ,
(Roman Bystrianyk) wrote:

In a study in today's Journal of the American Medical Association,
mortality rates were 65% lower among elderly people who combined a
so-called Mediterranean diet with 30 minutes of daily exercise,
moderate drinking and no tobacco use.

What a useless freaking study! How much lower was the mortality rate
among elderly people who combined ANY diet plan or WOE with 30 minutes
of daily exercise, moderate drinking, and no tobacco use?!

Don't like your initial results? Keep adding factor elements until you
see a number you like. Ridiculous.

KeS

We should all promise not to cross post any more! Starting with you, Roman.

We should all promise not to cross post any more! Starting with you, Roman.

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:37:06 GMT in article
"Dropped 21"
wrote:

"We should all eat like a Mediterranean",

I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a
Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!)

Like an average Cretan used to eat in 1960s and earlier (ok, we might not be
able to get purslane and Cretan snails, but following the main principles of
the traditional Cretan diet would probably be a healthy choice for the vast
majority of people in modern western societies).


--
Matti Narkia

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:37:06 GMT in article
"Dropped 21"
wrote:

"We should all eat like a Mediterranean",

I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a
Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!)

Like an average Cretan used to eat in 1960s and earlier (ok, we might not be
able to get purslane and Cretan snails, but following the main principles of
the traditional Cretan diet would probably be a healthy choice for the vast
majority of people in modern western societies).


--
Matti Narkia