Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
OK, here's a different slant on the issue, or at least one I haven't much seen
discussed. Everyone is familiar with the "Supersize Me" tactics of Mickey-D's, and the 1400 calorie burger at (Hardees?), but this is more ubiquitous. Snacks. Coke, Pepsi, almost everything comes in containers that are _way_ too big for consumption by one person. Coke / Pepsi used to have 6 oz bottles in the last 50's early 60's when I was a kid. Now, go to your average convenience store and try to buy one less than 20 oz. 20 oz. is a _lot_ of calories. Its too much for me, a grown man, let along some poor kid 1/3 my size and weight. I at least drink diet, so its not an issue for me, but wow, that's a lot of drink. Nuts. Peanuts, cashews, almonds. Look at the snack sizes for these. I recently went to 3 different stores before finding a simple 2 1/2 oz bag of peanuts (they're supposed to be good for U, right?) that, at 160 calories and ounce, is still 400 calories. What were my other choices? Wawa's own-brand packaged peanuts at 6 ounces a bag. 6 ounces! 960 calories!!!! Yeah, it'd be fun to eat those, but wow - fat city. Then there's the 7-11 store selling the familiar-brand bag of peanuts at 5 ounces for that bag. 800 calories!!! Wow. Simple things from the grocery. At least this was "light" no matter how much I ate, but... strawberries. They come, at least if fresh, in 1 lb boxes. Just great. I can eat maybe 1/3rd of them at once. After that, I'm not much inclined to eat any more for about a week. I keep my refrigerator at the a lower temperature than anyone I know, but I sure don't want to touch the rest of the strawberries during the next week. They just don't last. Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. They want to sell as much product as they can, and don't give a rip about the calorie-bomb that a 1400 calorie burger, or a 960 calorie bag of peanuts constituting a health threat to everyone that buys the stuff. Dave Head |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
Dave Head wrote:
Nuts. Peanuts, cashews, almonds. Look at the snack sizes for these. I recently went to 3 different stores before finding a simple 2 1/2 oz bag of peanuts (they're supposed to be good for U, right?) that, at 160 calories and ounce, is still 400 calories. What were my other choices? Wawa's own-brand packaged peanuts at 6 ounces a bag. 6 ounces! 960 calories!!!! You aren't obligated to eat an entire container of anything all at one sitting. How hard is it to measure out a serving and just eat that? Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. The only person responsible for the food that ends up in your mouth is you. |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
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Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
Dave Head writes:
Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. Until you take responsibility for your own obesity, you'll remain fat. Nobody forces you to buy any particular brand or order any particular food. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
Dave Head writes:
Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten... A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of responsibility for doing them. Well, that may be true for the peanuts ... It's true for everything, unless you're a goose being force-fed to produce foie gras. ... although these are _awful_ hard to leave alone once you get going ... Speak for yourself. Many people seem to have far more self-control. Plus, once the bag is open, they're all over the place - under the seats, between the carpet pieces, in the door pockets - you can't keep 'em contained. Here again, you are speaking only for yourself. Ronald McDonald isn't pouring them down your throat. But the cokes / pepsi's - you either drink 'em all, or... you have a _warm_ coke/pepsi after you seal it and then try to come back to it later in the day. Just throw the unused portion away. I just think that the Corporations can't get a "pass" on their culpability in helping make America fat all the way to a health crisis, which this is. You just don't want to take responsibility for your own weight problem. That's the real crisis. Recently, the candy machine people substituted the "King Size" Hershey with Almods bar I was eating at the regular size. Not only is this thing $1.00 instead of 65 cents, but it is huge! I guess you'll end up throwing quite a bit of it away ... right? I don't know how many calories it is, but its more than I want to dive into. See above. And... they're not helping... but they're not going to sell it to me. No ... you're going to buy it, and that's your decision, not theirs. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
Dave Head wrote: Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. They want to sell as much product as they can, and don't give a rip about the calorie-bomb that a 1400 calorie burger, or a 960 calorie bag of peanuts constituting a health threat to everyone that buys the stuff. They would if their consumer base wanted/demanded it. In fact, they have. Those little 100 calorie pack snacks that have become more and more common didn't come about because they look cute. I sell peanuts (no, I don't. But pretend for a bit that I do). I manage to convince the owner of the local Quick Trip to start carrying my snack packs of peanuts. I make two sizes, one 1 oz, and one that is 4 ounces. They both cost the same money, scaled ounce for ounce. It soon becomes apparent to me that my 4 oz size is outselling my 1 oz size by six to one. Then, the owner of the QT tells me that since he is now also going to stock almonds from the guy down the road, he can only give shelf space to one of my products. Guess which one I'm going to tell him to pitch. The people who drive the marketplace to carry the 960 calorie bags of peanuts over the 120 calorie choice are culpable, not the corporations that sell them, IMO. -- Annie As of 03-10-06: 258/197.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 60.5 pounds lost. 57.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:52:36 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Head writes: Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten... A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of responsibility for doing them. Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to be. Well, that may be true for the peanuts ... It's true for everything, unless you're a goose being force-fed to produce foie gras. ... although these are _awful_ hard to leave alone once you get going ... Speak for yourself. Many people seem to have far more self-control. Didn't say I couldn't do it, I said it is difficult. Why shouldn't the corporations _help_ the situation instead of hinder it? Plus, once the bag is open, they're all over the place - under the seats, between the carpet pieces, in the door pockets - you can't keep 'em contained. Here again, you are speaking only for yourself. Ronald McDonald isn't pouring them down your throat. RM doesn't sell peanuts, I think. But the cokes / pepsi's - you either drink 'em all, or... you have a _warm_ coke/pepsi after you seal it and then try to come back to it later in the day. Just throw the unused portion away. Sure. What else do you throw 1/3 of away after paying for all of it? That's just wrong. I just think that the Corporations can't get a "pass" on their culpability in helping make America fat all the way to a health crisis, which this is. You just don't want to take responsibility for your own weight problem. That's the real crisis. What weight problem? At 220 with the amount of muscle I have, I don't really have a "problem". I could be thinner... but not by much. I'm closer to "athlete" than fat right now. Recently, the candy machine people substituted the "King Size" Hershey with Almods bar I was eating at the regular size. Not only is this thing $1.00 instead of 65 cents, but it is huge! I guess you'll end up throwing quite a bit of it away ... right? No, I'm not buying it - unless I intend to skip an entire meal. If I find I have no time to run out for a meal, then maybe. But then I'll eat the whole thing. That thing is _not_ a snack... I don't know how many calories it is, but its more than I want to dive into. See above. And... they're not helping... but they're not going to sell it to me. No ... you're going to buy it, and that's your decision, not theirs. Not unless... I'm _replacing_ a full meal. Dave Head |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:48:40 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Head writes: Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. Until you take responsibility for your own obesity, I am _definitely_ not obese... you'll remain fat. I could lose 20... Nobody forces you to buy any particular brand or order any particular food. If ur hungry, and they only make available more than you want or need, you either starve or buy it. However, I _did_ have time to get to the 3rd store and find a bag of peanuts that was _right sized_. Dave Head |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:52:01 -0600, Annie Benson Lennaman
wrote: Dave Head wrote: Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the constant fight to eat reasonably. They want to sell as much product as they can, and don't give a rip about the calorie-bomb that a 1400 calorie burger, or a 960 calorie bag of peanuts constituting a health threat to everyone that buys the stuff. They would if their consumer base wanted/demanded it. In fact, they have. Those little 100 calorie pack snacks that have become more and more common didn't come about because they look cute. Tell me about the 100 calorie packs. What food is that? What corporation? I haven't run onto that, but haven't looked closely, either. I sell peanuts (no, I don't. But pretend for a bit that I do). I manage to convince the owner of the local Quick Trip to start carrying my snack packs of peanuts. I make two sizes, one 1 oz, and one that is 4 ounces. They both cost the same money, scaled ounce for ounce. It soon becomes apparent to me that my 4 oz size is outselling my 1 oz size by six to one. Then, the owner of the QT tells me that since he is now also going to stock almonds from the guy down the road, he can only give shelf space to one of my products. Guess which one I'm going to tell him to pitch. Yeah, that is corporate greed at work at the expense of public health, alright. Its what I'm talking about. The people who drive the marketplace to carry the 960 calorie bags of peanuts over the 120 calorie choice are culpable, not the corporations that sell them, IMO. Hmmm... the 400 calorie, 2.5 oz bags disappeared for a while, I didn't buy any peanuts at all, and then the 2.5 oz bags reappeared. Izzaat what U mean? G Dave Head |
Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity
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