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Lap Banding Journal - PJAD
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If you are interested in reading about my Lap Banding experience - please visit my site below. I never thought it would come to surgery - but obesity really does corrupt your health. http://lapbandstory.blogspot.com/ Regards, PJAD |
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Lap Banding Journal - PJAD
(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in
om: (PJAD) wrote in message om... . - I totally respect your advice. And yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a bit of junk. yeah, I can see that. I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though. Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who often don't have any real metabolic problems. What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and less drastic approaches. You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was at a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the required exercise to lose any significant pounds. It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really. The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery. At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do understand the dynamics involved. But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months -- without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial. 2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely. I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you, since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal, really. And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid obesity. My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me was the answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional methods of controlling my weight. I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to other people. And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years. I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures. Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits, has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most people, especially men in their 20's. But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs. My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and smaller meals to keep my stomach happy). I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right. Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see yourself being able to do it without those aids. |
(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in
om: (PJAD) wrote in message om... . - I totally respect your advice. And yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a bit of junk. yeah, I can see that. I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though. Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who often don't have any real metabolic problems. What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and less drastic approaches. You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was at a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the required exercise to lose any significant pounds. It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really. The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery. At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do understand the dynamics involved. But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months -- without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial. 2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely. I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you, since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal, really. And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid obesity. My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me was the answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional methods of controlling my weight. I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to other people. And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years. I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures. Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits, has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most people, especially men in their 20's. But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs. My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and smaller meals to keep my stomach happy). I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right. Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see yourself being able to do it without those aids. |
Lap Banding Journal - PJAD
SanitationWorker wrote in message ...
Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see yourself being able to do it without those aids. I agree about the lap band to some extent because it is safer and fully reversible. But for the $10,000 to $20,000 this surgery costs one would think we would be able to devise a more cost-effective weight loss solution. Home-gyms, engineered 2000 kcal/day diets, personal therapy, some combination of that, something. RNY and other irreversible WLS approaches are terribly risky, horribly disfiguring, and permanent quasi-solutions to very temporary problems, at least for most people. And probably not that cost-effective in the long run, since they are (mostly) working on symptoms and not root causes of obesity. Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale. What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources. |
SanitationWorker wrote in message ...
Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see yourself being able to do it without those aids. I agree about the lap band to some extent because it is safer and fully reversible. But for the $10,000 to $20,000 this surgery costs one would think we would be able to devise a more cost-effective weight loss solution. Home-gyms, engineered 2000 kcal/day diets, personal therapy, some combination of that, something. RNY and other irreversible WLS approaches are terribly risky, horribly disfiguring, and permanent quasi-solutions to very temporary problems, at least for most people. And probably not that cost-effective in the long run, since they are (mostly) working on symptoms and not root causes of obesity. Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale. What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources. |
Lap Banding Journal - PJAD
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale. What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources. This simply isn't true. Were weight loss that easy, there would not be an obesity problem is this country. I've been tracking my calories for years and I can assure you that 2000 calories a day will cause me steady weight gain even when doing hard aerobic exercise (100 to 120 miles a week of cycling). I've never lost a pound eating more than 1000 calories a day and experiencing serious hunger. -- He who strives always to the utmost, him we can save. Goethe Faust Part II |
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