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Bob M June 3rd, 2005 12:41 PM

More mislabeling
 
There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9 grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie or
low fat.

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Bob M
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Jim Bard June 4th, 2005 08:46 AM


"Bob M" wrote in message
.net...
There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9 grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie or
low fat.


The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb lifestyle is to
do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your carbs to fresh vegetables
(and later fruits), and fill the rest of your diet with meats and other
low-carb items such as fish, cheese, and eggs.

Going willy-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of higher
carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my opinion, going
to lead to failure.

If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm wrong. I'm
of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people to weight control.



Jim Bard June 4th, 2005 09:00 AM


"Bob M" wrote in message
.net...
There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9 grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie or
low fat.


Drinking large quantities of water during this time is also a very good
thing to do.



OmManiPadmeOmelet June 4th, 2005 09:40 AM

In article c%coe.83326$yV4.14100@okepread03,
"Jim Bard" wrote:

"Bob M" wrote in message
.net...
There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9 grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie or
low fat.


The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb lifestyle is to
do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your carbs to fresh vegetables
(and later fruits), and fill the rest of your diet with meats and other
low-carb items such as fish, cheese, and eggs.

Going willy-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of higher
carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my opinion, going
to lead to failure.

If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm wrong. I'm
of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people to weight control.



Unfortunately, you are correct. ;-)
If you continue to crave and eat anything other than what is in the low
carb guidelines, at least on a routine basis, this lifestyle is not
going to work for you.

OTOH, the occasional carb indulgence, say, no more than once per week,
is not going to hurt in the long run as long as you don't go nuts on it.

I had a horrible craving for chicken noodles tonight. First real carb
indulgence in at least a month or so.

Cooked a serving of bean thread noodles in organic chicken broth and put
in 1/4 cup of heavy cream.

56 grams of carbs.

sigh

Gonna pay for that for at least the next 5 days but it was really good,
and killed the craving. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[email protected] June 4th, 2005 02:21 PM

I've used a variety of the low carb products like ice cream, shakes,
pancakes, ketchup, salad dressing, sweet pickels/relish, cookie/cake
mixes with no problems at all. I find that they make low carb liveable
and far easier to stay on for the long term. The key obviously is to
use them at the appropriate stages and in moderation. They shouldn't
be the mainstay of your diet. And you have to read the labels.

As far as what Atkins originally stated, I see no evidence that he had
a problem with trying to come up with LC versions of popular foods.
He always suggested using substitutes where appropriate. For example,
he recommended using artificial sweetners to replace sugar. And I
recall he had recipes for sweet desserts like LC cheese cake and ice
cream even 30 years ago. The only difference is today there is even
more variety and a lot of it has gotten quite good. The Breyer's Ice
Cream I find excellent. That's the Carb Smart one with low net carb,
not the zero version, which doesn't taste that good. The only better
one is Eddy's Grand.


Harold Groot June 4th, 2005 10:29 PM

On 4 Jun 2005 06:21:17 -0700, "
wrote:

recall he had recipes for sweet desserts like LC cheese cake and ice
cream even 30 years ago. The only difference is today there is even
more variety and a lot of it has gotten quite good. The Breyer's Ice
Cream I find excellent. That's the Carb Smart one with low net carb,
not the zero version, which doesn't taste that good. The only better
one is Eddy's Grand.


While I agree in general regarding Breyers Carb Smart Ice Creams (4
net carbs tastes good, 0 net carbs taste bad), the quality also seems
to vary from flavor to flavor. The chocolate is my favorite so far.
I therefore expected their Chocolate Chip Mint to also be good, but
found it disappointing. However, here in the western USA the regional
brand Dreyers has also come out with a low carb line, and their
Chocolate Chip Mint is very good. So as long as the Breyers/Dreyers
thing doesn't get you confused, you can find good CCM. :)





Harold Groot June 5th, 2005 01:09 PM

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:29:22 GMT, (Harold
Groot) wrote:

On 4 Jun 2005 06:21:17 -0700, "
wrote:

recall he had recipes for sweet desserts like LC cheese cake and ice
cream even 30 years ago. The only difference is today there is even
more variety and a lot of it has gotten quite good. The Breyer's Ice
Cream I find excellent. That's the Carb Smart one with low net carb,
not the zero version, which doesn't taste that good. The only better
one is Eddy's Grand.


While I agree in general regarding Breyers Carb Smart Ice Creams (4
net carbs tastes good, 0 net carbs taste bad), the quality also seems
to vary from flavor to flavor. The chocolate is my favorite so far.
I therefore expected their Chocolate Chip Mint to also be good, but
found it disappointing. However, here in the western USA the regional
brand Dreyers has also come out with a low carb line, and their
Chocolate Chip Mint is very good. So as long as the Breyers/Dreyers
thing doesn't get you confused, you can find good CCM. :)



Follow-up: From what I've been able to find on the net, Dreyer's and
Eddy's Grand are apparently 2 regional names for the same product. So
I would concur with the high opinion expressed above about Eddy's
Grand, it's just called Dreyer's (Carb Benefit) out here.



Roger Zoul June 6th, 2005 07:24 PM

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article c%coe.83326$yV4.14100@okepread03,
:: "Jim Bard" wrote:
::
::: "Bob M" wrote in message
::: .net...
:::: There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee
:::: drinks now. Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories
:::: from fat, and 9 grams carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee,
:::: so they're not bad for that, but still, they aren't really low
:::: carb and certainly aren't low calorie or low fat.
:::
::: The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb
::: lifestyle is to do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your
::: carbs to fresh vegetables (and later fruits), and fill the rest of
::: your diet with meats and other low-carb items such as fish, cheese,
::: and eggs.
:::
::: Going willy-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of
::: higher carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my
::: opinion, going to lead to failure.
:::
::: If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm
::: wrong. I'm of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people
::: to weight control.
:::
:::
::
:: Unfortunately, you are correct. ;-)
:: If you continue to crave and eat anything other than what is in the
:: low
:: carb guidelines, at least on a routine basis, this lifestyle is not
:: going to work for you.
::
:: OTOH, the occasional carb indulgence, say, no more than once per
:: week,
:: is not going to hurt in the long run as long as you don't go nuts on
:: it.
::
:: I had a horrible craving for chicken noodles tonight. First real carb
:: indulgence in at least a month or so.
::
:: Cooked a serving of bean thread noodles in organic chicken broth and
:: put
:: in 1/4 cup of heavy cream.
::
:: 56 grams of carbs.
::
:: sigh
::
:: Gonna pay for that for at least the next 5 days but it was really
:: good,
:: and killed the craving. ;-)

Why do you have to pay for 5 days for just 56 grams of carbs? You can burn
through that in one workout period....



Bob M June 7th, 2005 12:18 AM

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 02:46:15 -0500, Jim Bard wrote:


"Bob M" wrote in message
.net...
There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9
grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie
or
low fat.


The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb lifestyle is
to
do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your carbs to fresh
vegetables
(and later fruits), and fill the rest of your diet with meats and other
low-carb items such as fish, cheese, and eggs.

Going willy-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of higher
carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my opinion,
going
to lead to failure.

If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm wrong.
I'm
of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people to weight
control.



You're wrong. No argument is needed though.

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Bob M
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Doug Freyburger June 8th, 2005 01:46 AM

wrote:

The key obviously is to
use them at the appropriate stages and in moderation. They shouldn't
be the mainstay of your diet. And you have to read the labels.


Right. Taking what used to be a mainstay of your
diet and substituting a low carb version, that's
a recipe for failure.

As far as what Atkins originally stated, I see no evidence that he had
a problem with trying to come up with LC versions of popular foods.
He always suggested using substitutes where appropriate. For example,
he recommended using artificial sweetners to replace sugar.


He also said only do it occasionally. Without defining
what the word meant to him. His examples hint that he
thought on a time scale of weeks or months, so my best
guess is he meant once per week or less for occasional.

Dr A dedicated more space to stressing that we should eat
real food - veggies, meat, eggs, dairy, fruit, than he
dedicated to stating that substitutes are okay. So is
Atkins an all natural food plan per his writings? No.
And is it Atkins to eat low carb substitutes at most
meals? Also no.



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