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So.....which diet ?

Low-carb, low-fat, low-cal ?

A) All of the above ?
B) None of the above ?

Nutrionists are like economists. I'm confused.

Gonna try the paleolithic diet. Raw fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds
I hope i don't get the opportunity to shoot me a moose whilst i hunt
and gather

Ok, ok, will just eat my weight in caramel and lie back on the couch
for a year

I never said I was self disciplined

So.....which diet ?

On Oct 9, 2:28*am, PB wrote:
Low-carb, low-fat, low-cal ?

A) All of the above ?
B) None of the above ?

Nutrionists are like economists. I'm confused.

Calories are the ONLY fundamental contributor. You can't build body
weight without excess energy; you can't maintain it with deficit
energy.

Low-carb and low-fat diets target particular foods, because of their
caloric properties, and are not any more or less effective than just
eating the same proportion of foods you eat now, but less. You could
go on a twinkie diet and lose weight, as long as you are eating X
number of twinkies daily that brings you short of your daily calorie
need.

Obviously, however, a twinkie has a LOT of calories/volume, because of
what it's made of. You could eat a HUGE bowl of salad and get the
same calories from it (sans dressing, that is). Salad is very leafy
and fibrous, so it contains less calories for the same volume. Your
hunger and your digestive system (a particular concern if you're not
crazy about developing diverticulitis) are driven by VOLUME, not
calories. You feel more full and take a better deuce after eating a
salad than you do a twinkie, but both contribute the same caloric
value.

Aside from that, it's all just preference and "success" ratings. I'm
more of an advocate of reading LOTS of diets and extracting the
REASONS for their peculiar strategies, rather than the strategies
themselves. Experiment! Try lots of different foods, expand your
horizons, but don't make it a huge change. I've lost 23 lbs since
February 08, and for 5 months of that time, Hot Pockets and Cup O'
Noodles (salt aside, this is an amazing diet tool. 300 calories, lots
of bulk, and it's hot, so it's filling!) composed roughly a third of
my diet. It's a ****ty way to eat, nutritionally (read: salty), but
even though they're "bad" foods, I still lost weight by only
concerning myself with the calorie count.

So, don't make a diet an exclusive change in what you eat. You want
to change a few habits, as well. Plan meals ahead of time, read
nutritional information, even for products you have no intention of
buying (sometimes, you get surprised and find a new food for your diet
toolbox). Get INTERESTED in what you're putting in your body.

Gonna try the paleolithic diet. Raw fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds
I hope i don't get the opportunity to shoot me a moose whilst i hunt
and gather

I don't personally think that's a healthy way to think about a diet.
We're built to eat a lot of stuff. When you limit that, the body gets
'bored' with your intake, and you feel like crap. Not to mention,
it's BORING.

Ok, ok, will just eat my weight in caramel and lie back on the couch
for a year

I never said I was self disciplined

You have to want it. Weight loss doesn't happen to you. It's the
other way around.

So.....which diet ?

On 9 oct, 02:28, PB wrote:
Low-carb, low-fat, low-cal ?

A) All of the above ?
B) None of the above ?

Nutrionists are like economists. I'm confused.

Gonna try the paleolithic diet. Raw fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds
I hope i don't get the opportunity to shoot me a moose whilst i hunt
and gather

Ok, ok, will just eat my weight in caramel and lie back on the couch
for a year

I never said I was self disciplined

I've started the raw diet today. I'll have my first meeting with other
rawers in my area on Saturday night. Everyone brings his recipe. I'm
eating exclusively non-cooked veggies, fruits and nuts.

So.....which diet ?

On Oct 9, 1:43*pm, James G wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:28*am, PB wrote:

Low-carb, low-fat, low-cal ?

A) All of the above ?
B) None of the above ?

Nutrionists are like economists. I'm confused.

Calories are the ONLY fundamental contributor. *You can't build body
weight without excess energy; you can't maintain it with deficit
energy.

Low-carb and low-fat diets target particular foods, because of their
caloric properties, and are not any more or less effective than just
eating the same proportion of foods you eat now, but less. *You could
go on a twinkie diet and lose weight, as long as you are eating X
number of twinkies daily that brings you short of your daily calorie
need.

Obviously, however, a twinkie has a LOT of calories/volume, because of
what it's made of. *You could eat a HUGE bowl of salad and get the
same calories from it (sans dressing, that is). *Salad is very leafy
and fibrous, so it contains less calories for the same volume. *Your
hunger and your digestive system (a particular concern if you're not
crazy about developing diverticulitis) are driven by VOLUME, not
calories. *You feel more full and take a better deuce after eating a
salad than you do a twinkie, but both contribute the same caloric
value.

Aside from that, it's all just preference and "success" ratings. *I'm
more of an advocate of reading LOTS of diets and extracting the
REASONS for their peculiar strategies, rather than the strategies
themselves. *Experiment! *Try lots of different foods, expand your
horizons, but don't make it a huge change. *I've lost 23 lbs since
February 08, and for 5 months of that time, Hot Pockets and Cup O'
Noodles (salt aside, this is an amazing diet tool. *300 calories, lots
of bulk, and it's hot, so it's filling!) composed roughly a third of
my diet. *It's a ****ty way to eat, nutritionally (read: salty), but
even though they're "bad" foods, I still lost weight by only
concerning myself with the calorie count.

So, don't make a diet an exclusive change in what you eat. *You want
to change a few habits, as well. *Plan meals ahead of time, read
nutritional information, even for products you have no intention of
buying (sometimes, you get surprised and find a new food for your diet
toolbox). *Get INTERESTED in what you're putting in your body.

Gonna try the paleolithic diet. Raw fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds
I hope i don't get the opportunity to shoot me a moose whilst i hunt
and gather

I don't personally think that's a healthy way to think about a diet.
We're built to eat a lot of stuff. *When you limit that, the body gets
'bored' with your intake, and you feel like crap. *Not to mention,
it's BORING.

Ok, ok, will just eat my weight in caramel and lie back on the couch
for a year

I never said I was self disciplined

You have to want it. *Weight loss doesn't happen to you. *It's the
other way around.

Kidding. Exercise is gonna make or break me anyways. I'll vary my
eating and stop eating at night. Drinks lots of water.

Now, eating fruits, veggies, chicken, some eggs, whole wheat toast,
diet protein shakes, and granola bars.

Thanks for advice anyways though, makes sense. Don't know why low carb
diet is so popular.

Calories are calories as you say, but healthy carbs are needed so....
wtf ?

So.....which diet ?

On 9 oct, 21:47, "
wrote:
On 9 oct, 02:28, PB wrote:

Low-carb, low-fat, low-cal ?

A) All of the above ?
B) None of the above ?

Nutrionists are like economists. I'm confused.

Gonna try the paleolithic diet. Raw fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds
I hope i don't get the opportunity to shoot me a moose whilst i hunt
and gather

Ok, ok, will just eat my weight in caramel and lie back on the couch
for a year

I never said I was self disciplined

I've started the raw diet today. I'll have my first meeting with other
rawers in my area on Saturday night. Everyone brings his recipe. I'm
eating exclusively non-cooked veggies, fruits and nuts.

Went to Harvey's today with a group. What a screw-up in my diet! I'm
back right now on tracks!

So.....which diet ?

On Oct 10, 2:00*am, PB wrote:

Kidding. Exercise is gonna make or break me anyways. I'll vary my
eating and stop eating at night. Drinks lots of water.

Now, eating fruits, veggies, chicken, some eggs, whole wheat toast,
diet protein shakes, and granola bars.

My brother, who used to be a pretty decent wrestler, once told me
"water will make you hard." And he was right. Water, or more
loosely, any hydrating fluids (diet soda does count here, I've found;
the diuretic effect of the caffeine seems less prevalent) are GREAT
for you, especially if you're dieting. The body needs water to break
fat down, and it costs nothing in terms of nutrition, so why not?

Thanks for advice anyways though, makes sense. Don't know why low carb
diet is so popular.

Calories are calories as you say, but healthy carbs are needed so....
wtf ?

I believe they're popular because they're popular. Like any fad, some
underinformed person gets ahold of information that seems reliable to
them, and without doing a lot of fact-finding, they just accept it and
promote it themselves. Then, through positive feedback, everybody's
onboard, until somebody starts knocking it, or another fad takes over.

It's not that they don't work, it just seems completely counter-
intuitive to opt for a radical change in dietary makeup, when the
effects are no different than simply balancing out portions in a
balanced diet. It doesn't hurt to bump up your portions of "good"
carbs (ie. starches and long-energy foods) and protein, because there
IS a benefit in calories. With carbs/protein, you're getting 4
kilocal/g, versus 7 kilocal/g for fat. They're less efficient at
packing energy, so your body gets less net energy, and you're more
likely to fall into deficit.

All that said, though, it just seems like a lot of people pick a diet
and THEN learn what it's about. Which is silly.

So.....which diet ?