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tcomeau January 22nd, 2004 04:31 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret

The controversial and popular Atkins diet works for reasons that Dr
Atkins may not have fully understood, the BBC 2 programme Horizon has
discovered.

Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that
although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want,
they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.

And the reason for this, according to recent research is because the
quantity of protein the regime encourages, acts like an appetite
suppressant.

The meat, fish and eggs in the Atkins diet control hunger and stop
people eating their usual quantity of calories.

The theory behind Dr Atkins' diet is that by cutting down on starchy
foods like potatoes, bread and pasta and eating mainly protein and
fats like meat, eggs and cheese you can eat as much as you want and
still lose weight.

Dr Atkins even said there was no need to worry about calories.

The idea that people could gorge on as many calories as they desire
and still lose the pounds brought Dr Atkins much criticism and even
prompted some scientists to call his diet "scientific heresy".

Horizon teamed up with the University of Kansas and commissioned a
scientific investigation to test Dr Atkins' most controversial theory.

This states that on his diet you actually burn more calories than
usual - allowing you to lose more weight.

Dr Atkins had two ideas about where the extra calories were going.
Firstly, he believed you burn more calories when your body uses fats
and proteins as fuel.

If this is true, says Dr Mary Vernon, of the Atkins Physician Council,
it makes exercise less important than usual.

"You wouldn't have to increase your exercise at all because your body
would be working harder, so that you could literally sit in your
armchair and lose weight."

Dr Atkins also believed that on his diet you lose unused calories by
peeing them away, as part of a process known as ketosis, which happens
when you stop eating starchy foods and sugar.

In Horizon's investigation identical twins were put on different
diets, one on the Atkins diet and one on a conventional low fat diet.
Each was fed identical amounts of calories for two weeks.

The twins were then locked inside a sealed chamber so that Professor
Joseph Donnelly could calculate how quickly their bodies were burning
calories.

Over 24 hours the twin on the Atkins diet did lose more calories than
the twin on low fat, but only 22.

Professor Donnelly even checked the twins' urine for calories and
found that the Atkins dieter had lost less than a single calorie more
than his brother on low fat.

Donnelly concluded that: "the differences were too small to suggest
there's anything significant going on".

Even though this research is at an early stage, there is little
evidence for Dr Atkins' wasted calorie theories.

Horizon examines other studies that reveal the real reason scientists
believe the Atkins diet is effective.

New results from research conducted on the popular BBC series 'Diet
Trials' offer the first clue.

The study examined the Atkins diet and three low fat, low calorie
diets.

All four diets worked, but Dr Joe Millward at the University of Surrey
who headed up the research, discovered the secret to why Atkins
dieters were losing weight.

"The Atkins dieters were eating less calories, in exactly the same way
as those going to the slimming clubs on their low fat diets."

Without apparently trying, people on the Atkins diet were eating less
than they would normally.

Scientists are now more interested than ever in what makes us eat
less. They have concluded that there is something about the Atkins
diet that controls hunger.

Research has shown that fat is the least filling food. But new work in
Denmark is showing exactly what kinds of food may control hunger.

Professor Arne Astrup, from the Royal Veterinary & Agricultural
University in Copenhagen, built a supermarket for a special study to
find the secret of appetite control.

Professor Astrup's study focused on being able to eat as much as you
want.

He put one group of shoppers on a high protein diet and one on a high
carbohydrate diet.

He was surprised to find that the people eating more protein lost
significantly more weight.

"The reason they lost more weight was because they consumed fewer
calories, despite the fact they had free access to all the food they
wanted."

Increasing the amount of meat, fish and eggs in the diet may not only
be the answer to our hunger pangs, but the secret to how the Atkins
diet works.

Perhaps without realising it, Dr Atkins stumbled across the secret of
appetite control, by discovering a high protein diet.

The programme also investigates whether or not the Atkins diet is
dangerous.

With no long term studies on the diet, any possible health risks of
the diet are, so far, unproven.

Horizon: The Atkins Diet will be shown Thursday January 22nd at 9pm on
BBC2.


Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC

jmk January 22nd, 2004 04:37 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 


On 1/22/2004 10:31 AM, tcomeau wrote:
(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm
Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that
although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want,
they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.



Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC


Or that eating fewer calories than you spend causes weight loss?

--
jmk in NC


Largest Mu_n January 22nd, 2004 05:45 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
On 22 Jan 2004 07:31:39 -0800, (tcomeau) wrote:

Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.


Eat 10,000 a day and call me when you can no longer see your feet.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000620.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Steve January 22nd, 2004 07:19 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:45:58 -0500, Largest Mu_n wrote
(in message ):

On 22 Jan 2004 07:31:39 -0800, (tcomeau) wrote:

Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.


Eat 10,000 a day and call me when you can no longer see your feet.


And this from a self-annointed "Trainer" who trolls the usenet pushing
the "Two Pound Diet"... a diet which claims calories "really have
little bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans" and that
all that is important is, get this, the _weight_ of the food.

Oh, yeah. Let's all listen to Trainer-Boy.

--
Steve

Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003


George W. Cherry January 22nd, 2004 07:48 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 

"tcomeau" wrote in message
om...
(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message

. com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret

The controversial and popular Atkins diet works for reasons that Dr
Atkins may not have fully understood, the BBC 2 programme Horizon has
discovered.

Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that
although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want,
they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.

And the reason for this, according to recent research is because the
quantity of protein the regime encourages, acts like an appetite
suppressant.

The meat, fish and eggs in the Atkins diet control hunger and stop
people eating their usual quantity of calories.

The theory behind Dr Atkins' diet is that by cutting down on starchy
foods like potatoes, bread and pasta and eating mainly protein and
fats like meat, eggs and cheese you can eat as much as you want and
still lose weight.

Dr Atkins even said there was no need to worry about calories.

The idea that people could gorge on as many calories as they desire
and still lose the pounds brought Dr Atkins much criticism and even
prompted some scientists to call his diet "scientific heresy".

Horizon teamed up with the University of Kansas and commissioned a
scientific investigation to test Dr Atkins' most controversial theory.

This states that on his diet you actually burn more calories than
usual - allowing you to lose more weight.

Dr Atkins had two ideas about where the extra calories were going.
Firstly, he believed you burn more calories when your body uses fats
and proteins as fuel.

If this is true, says Dr Mary Vernon, of the Atkins Physician Council,
it makes exercise less important than usual.

"You wouldn't have to increase your exercise at all because your body
would be working harder, so that you could literally sit in your
armchair and lose weight."

Dr Atkins also believed that on his diet you lose unused calories by
peeing them away, as part of a process known as ketosis, which happens
when you stop eating starchy foods and sugar.

In Horizon's investigation identical twins were put on different
diets, one on the Atkins diet and one on a conventional low fat diet.
Each was fed identical amounts of calories for two weeks.

The twins were then locked inside a sealed chamber so that Professor
Joseph Donnelly could calculate how quickly their bodies were burning
calories.

Over 24 hours the twin on the Atkins diet did lose more calories than
the twin on low fat, but only 22.

Professor Donnelly even checked the twins' urine for calories and
found that the Atkins dieter had lost less than a single calorie more
than his brother on low fat.

Donnelly concluded that: "the differences were too small to suggest
there's anything significant going on".

Even though this research is at an early stage, there is little
evidence for Dr Atkins' wasted calorie theories.

Horizon examines other studies that reveal the real reason scientists
believe the Atkins diet is effective.

New results from research conducted on the popular BBC series 'Diet
Trials' offer the first clue.

The study examined the Atkins diet and three low fat, low calorie
diets.

All four diets worked, but Dr Joe Millward at the University of Surrey
who headed up the research, discovered the secret to why Atkins
dieters were losing weight.

"The Atkins dieters were eating less calories, in exactly the same way
as those going to the slimming clubs on their low fat diets."

Without apparently trying, people on the Atkins diet were eating less
than they would normally.

Scientists are now more interested than ever in what makes us eat
less. They have concluded that there is something about the Atkins
diet that controls hunger.

Research has shown that fat is the least filling food. But new work in
Denmark is showing exactly what kinds of food may control hunger.

Professor Arne Astrup, from the Royal Veterinary & Agricultural
University in Copenhagen, built a supermarket for a special study to
find the secret of appetite control.

Professor Astrup's study focused on being able to eat as much as you
want.

He put one group of shoppers on a high protein diet and one on a high
carbohydrate diet.

He was surprised to find that the people eating more protein lost
significantly more weight.

"The reason they lost more weight was because they consumed fewer
calories, despite the fact they had free access to all the food they
wanted."

Increasing the amount of meat, fish and eggs in the diet may not only
be the answer to our hunger pangs, but the secret to how the Atkins
diet works.

Perhaps without realising it, Dr Atkins stumbled across the secret of
appetite control, by discovering a high protein diet.

The programme also investigates whether or not the Atkins diet is
dangerous.

With no long term studies on the diet, any possible health risks of
the diet are, so far, unproven.

Horizon: The Atkins Diet will be shown Thursday January 22nd at 9pm on
BBC2.


Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC


Huh??? Maybe you missed this quote

"The reason they lost more weight was because they consumed fewer
calories, despite the fact they had free access to all the food they
wanted."


in the above. The thesis advanced above is that Atkins'
dieters eat fewer calories because the large amount of
protein they ingest suppresses their appetite. So it's not
the fat. "It's the protein, stupid!" : o ) In case you didn't
know, protein and carbohydrates both have 4 calories
per gram, but fat has 9 calories per gram. Protein causes
a stable and more enduring rise in glucose than carbs,
and so protein reduces your hunger more reliably, con-
sistently, and longer than carbs.

George ("It's the protein, stupid!")




George W. Cherry January 22nd, 2004 07:49 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 

"jmk" wrote in message
...


On 1/22/2004 10:31 AM, tcomeau wrote:
(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message

. com...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm
Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that
although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want,
they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.



Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC


Or that eating fewer calories than you spend causes weight loss?


That's too subtle for our TC.



tcomeau January 22nd, 2004 11:27 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:nXUPb.102676$5V2.381441@attbi_s53...
"jmk" wrote in message
...


On 1/22/2004 10:31 AM, tcomeau wrote:
(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message

. com...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm
Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that
although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want,
they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.



Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC


Or that eating fewer calories than you spend causes weight loss?


That's too subtle for our TC.


My POV is obviously too subtle for all of you people.

TC

tcomeau January 23rd, 2004 03:02 AM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
"George W. Cherry" wrote in message news:iWUPb.102671$5V2.381758@attbi_s53...

snip


Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.

TC


Huh??? Maybe you missed this quote

"The reason they lost more weight was because they consumed fewer
calories, despite the fact they had free access to all the food they
wanted."



The reason that they *claim* and *assume* *apparently* caused the
weight loss was the *apparent* restriction of calories. They've
assumed this for generations and in spite of the ease of eating a
low-calorie diet and the availability of a huge variety of low-calorie
foods the population, including low-calorie dieters, are still getting
fat. Of course, with the exception of low-carb dieters.

in the above. The thesis advanced above is that Atkins'
dieters eat fewer calories because the large amount of
protein they ingest suppresses their appetite. So it's not
the fat. "It's the protein, stupid!" : o ) In case you didn't
know, protein and carbohydrates both have 4 calories
per gram, but fat has 9 calories per gram. Protein causes
a stable and more enduring rise in glucose than carbs,
and so protein reduces your hunger more reliably, con-
sistently, and longer than carbs.

George ("It's the protein, stupid!")


Last I heard was that fat was what caused satiation. And carbs that
caused high levels of insulin, which causes hunger. The only thing
complicating this simple concept is peoples unreasonable adherence to
the calories fallacy. The calories math doesn't, hasn't and will never
be a valid predictor of weight loss or gain in humans.

TC

Doug Freese January 23rd, 2004 05:00 AM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 


tcomeau wrote:


Maybe the lesson to be learned is that calories really have little
bearing when it comes to weight gain or loss in humans.


And Jeffrey Dahmer was a vegetarian.

--
Doug Freese
"Caveat Lector"



SadMu_n January 23rd, 2004 02:10 PM

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret
 
On 22 Jan 2004 18:02:47 -0800, (tcomeau) wrote:

Last I heard was that fat was what caused satiation. And carbs that
caused high levels of insulin, which causes hunger. The only thing
complicating this simple concept is peoples unreasonable adherence to
the calories fallacy. The calories math doesn't, hasn't and will never
be a valid predictor of weight loss or gain in humans.


lol

tunderbar rewrites the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Hey, I believe him, don't you?

lol

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.


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