Cyclic Ketogenic
 

Anybody have experience with this?

Rusty writes:
Anybody have experience with this?

Which one? There are a couple.

No.

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"Rusty" wrote in message
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Anybody have experience with this?

"Rusty" wrote in message
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Anybody have experience with this?

I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in and out of
ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

"Rusty" wrote in message
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Anybody have experience with this?

I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in and out of
ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

"Jim Bard" writes:
I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in
and out of ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

Yup, you don't know what it is. Cyclic diets take advantage of the
fact that low carbing makes your muscles more insulin sensitive,
allowing you to play tricks with workouts and carbohydrates that are
otherwise impossible. For example, on UD2, after the low carb days
and associated workouts, you eat about 1.5 kg of carbs in a 30 hour
period, while still losing fat - all the carbs go to muscle glycogen!

"Jim Bard" writes:
I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in
and out of ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

Yup, you don't know what it is. Cyclic diets take advantage of the
fact that low carbing makes your muscles more insulin sensitive,
allowing you to play tricks with workouts and carbohydrates that are
otherwise impossible. For example, on UD2, after the low carb days
and associated workouts, you eat about 1.5 kg of carbs in a 30 hour
period, while still losing fat - all the carbs go to muscle glycogen!

"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
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"Jim Bard" writes:
I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in
and out of ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

Yup, you don't know what it is. Cyclic diets take advantage of the
fact that low carbing makes your muscles more insulin sensitive,
allowing you to play tricks with workouts and carbohydrates that are
otherwise impossible. For example, on UD2, after the low carb days
and associated workouts, you eat about 1.5 kg of carbs in a 30 hour
period, while still losing fat - all the carbs go to muscle glycogen!

You'll have to explain that to me, thanks. What is 'muscle glycogen'? How
is it different from glycogen in general? Why would muscles be more
sensitive to insulin than the rest of your body?

I'm a bit curious, here.

"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
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"Jim Bard" writes:
I don't know what this is. If it's a fancy buzzword for going in
and out of ketosis, I suspect it would be somewhat self-defeating.

Yup, you don't know what it is. Cyclic diets take advantage of the
fact that low carbing makes your muscles more insulin sensitive,
allowing you to play tricks with workouts and carbohydrates that are
otherwise impossible. For example, on UD2, after the low carb days
and associated workouts, you eat about 1.5 kg of carbs in a 30 hour
period, while still losing fat - all the carbs go to muscle glycogen!

You'll have to explain that to me, thanks. What is 'muscle glycogen'? How
is it different from glycogen in general? Why would muscles be more
sensitive to insulin than the rest of your body?

I'm a bit curious, here.

I'm adding this to my web site for future reference:
http://www.delorie.com/health/muscle-glycogen.html

"Jim Bard" writes:
What is 'muscle glycogen'?

Glycogen stored in muscle. For LCers, this is "good" glycogen,
compared to liver glycogen which effects hormone levels relating to
ketosis and fat metabolism.

How is it different from glycogen in general?

It's not. It's the same type of glycogen as liver glycogen, for
example, just stored in muscles. Once in the muscle, though, it can
only be used for muscle activity, unlike livery glycogen which can be
released back into the bloodstream for use elsewhere.

The term "partitioning" is common among body builders, it means
deciding where nutrients go inside the body. Mostly, it's genetic - a
certain percent goes to muscle, a certain percent goes to fat stores,
a certain percent goes to metabolism, etc. Changing partitioning is a
common pursuit, using techniques ranging from exercise and diet to
prescription performance drugs.

Why would muscles be more sensitive to insulin than the rest of your
body?

Mostly that's genetic - each component of your body (it even varies
between muscles) has a certain sensitivity threshold. Most of the
effort "we" put into insulin sensitivity is to move the balance point
as much as we can towards muscle and away from fat.

There are a few factors that can influence partitioning by changing
insulin sensitivity for muscles, fat, and liver in different
(i.e. unequal) ways. Just the fact that muscle glycogen stores are
low will make muscles more insulin sensitive. That's why long-term
LCers will "bloat" by many pounds if they eat carbs - most of it goes
to muscle stores, and the water required to store it can add 5-10 lbs
very quickly. Liver storage alone can only account for about 1 lb.

Exercise can also make muscles more sensitive, both by depleting
glycogen stores even more, and by enzyme changes due to the exercise
itself causing cell stress (i.e. strength training does this more than
cardio).

Fish oil is a common dietary aid that increases muscle sensitivity and
reduces fat cell sensitivity. Various performance drugs also do this,
but with much more "interesting" side effects.

So, in a cyclic diet, you commonly two two phases: First, you LC and
low calorie diet, while doing high-rep medium-weight workouts to fully
deplete muscle glycogen, and stay there for a few days to really boost
insulin sensitivity. Then, one more workout to get the enzymes going
so muscles are REALLY sensitive and the liver is way into ketosis,
then WHAM eat a big load of carbs and the muscles just suck them up so
fast the liver and fat cells don't have time to react.

For more information, google for "CKD", "bodyopus", or "UD2", or see
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ for the "The Ketogenic Diet" and
"Ultimate Diet 2.0" books.