"Hakan" wrote in message
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Roger Zoul wrote:


Dude, neither you, I, nor anyone else is going to get anyone off their
asses and make them eat less of anything, let alone sugar.

Dr. Atkins' book was the most sold book in America at one stage. Low carb
and low GI diets are quite popular and it at least got you and me off
sugar, didn't it? I also hope that you noticed how sugarfree alternatives
are being promoted much more now. I'd say that people like Dr. Atkins, Dr.
Eades et.c. got quite a few thousands moving their ass and off sugar. You
are wrong.

No, these Drs. provide information. Those thousands who adopted a new
lifestyle did so based on their own desire to improve themselves. It
doesn't matter what you preach, history has shown that the desire for change
comes from within, not without. And in case you haven't noticed, the
numbers who have made positive change with any program is just a drop in the
bucket compared to what needs to happen.



You don't seriously
think this idea started with you?

No, probably with Mr. William Banting and his letter on corpulence. I'd
say that pioneers like Stefansson, Price and Lutz kept it going in the
early 20th century. People like Atkins, Eades and Sears made it popular to
the mainstream media. All of them advocated exercise and restricting sugar
consumption. I am most likely omitting someone important.

Oh please...I wasn't referring to low carb. I was referring to the notion of
*getting* people off their asses and *making* them eat less. "Exercise more
and eat less" has been the mantra for decades for those who are overweight.
Yet, it has barely made a dent in the problem. It's not that it won't work,
it's that no matter how much you preach it, people won't do it as result of
your (or my) preaching. Change comes from within, not without.



Has there been any progress in this area
over the ages? And not everyone who is overweight is a T2 and not all
T2's are overweight. Thus, the development of a cure for this disease
really should have nothing to do this that.

I conclude that you have no genuine reason to post in this group.

You obviously haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.

The
name of the group implies support for a low carbohydrate diet plan
combined with exercising as a way to combat many illnesses including
obesity and diabetes. I am sure that alt.support.diabetes will be
interested in reading your remarks about surgery. If you don't think that
you can help anyone with their low carbing or convince anyone about the
advantages of the Atkins lifestyle, why bother to come here? It seems like
a waste of time.

What remarks about surgery? Are you stupid? I commented about how getting to
a cure for diabetes is important and I gave reasons as to why it is
worthwhile to do so, regardless of issues related to a person's weight.

As for why I come here - I'm a low carber and have been for a long time.
Yet, I recognise that no matter what I say it won't be the reason that
someone else adopts low carb as a lifestyle. Also, it's not the only method
that works, either. And BTW, I've been a T2 for over 25 years and control
my type 2 diabetes with LC and exercise. I still maintain normal blood
glucose and have A1Cs at 5. No complications from diabetes yet. I own 4
road bikes (and 2 stationary bikes) and drive all over the place on weekends
looking for metric and english centuries to ride. I know full well the power
of LC and exercise. Yet, it's not the way for everyone. You just have to
accept that.

And having a cure for diabetes is a good thing. Even bypass surgery is a
good thing if it allows people to live and have a better life. For many it's
the only option they can manage. For others, like me and several here, we
were able to make LC work. Others made just plain eating less and exercise
work. Some make low fat work, other weight watchers. Hence, one size doesn't
fit all. Yet, the numbers of still small among those who can make lasting
changes.