Seth Breidbart wrote:

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:
Seth Breidbart wrote:
In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:

At *most*, the
variance in fat loss/LBM loss was ~3 lbs over 12 weeks. That is, they
might report 3 lbs more fat lost and 3 lbs more LBM maintained over that period.

Adding:
a. Even then, the effects weren't consistent. Some folks did better on
CKD's, some folks better on Isocaloric (and lost more muscle on the
CKD). Meaning there was no consistent pattern with one diet being
absolutely superior.
. . .
b. 3 lbs is within measurement error (sorry, this is the cynic in me
speaking). Hell, it's within the error of glycogen and water balance.

c. 3 lbs of fat vs LBM is hardly relevant for the majority of dieters.
For an athlete or bodybuilder, yeah, it matters. But without a
consistently superior diet or a way to know who will be ideally suited
for one or the other, the above is kind of meaningless (at this point,
there's no good way to apply it).

A consistent difference of 3 lbs would be worthwhile.

If the maximum difference measured is 3 lbs, and some measurements had
the opposite sign, then I'd guess the average is unde 1 lb. That's
well within the measurement error noise.

You'll have to translate this into retard for me cuz I have no clue what
you're saying.

I was agreeing with you, and pointing out that the difference might be
even lower.

Ok, just as long as I'm still right.

If one diet was always 3 lbs better than the other, that would matter.

If one diet was sometimes 3 lbs better (at most), and sometimes 1 lb
worse, then I'd expect it to be less than 1 lb better on average.

What i was originally trying to get across is that the benefit wasn't consisten.
Some folks might do 3 lbs better on a CKD but other did 3 lbs better on
a more Zone approach.

Given that the "measurement" involves calculating BF%, the error in
that measurement leads to bodyfat/lbm amounts that aren't known to
within 1 lb. That is, there might not be any actual difference (what
was seen is noise in the measurement), and if there is any it is too
small to matter much.

There is that too.

Lyle