On May 27, 9:59*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 16:08:05 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

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Which is a cause and which is the effect? *It is certain that bariatric
surgery makes total adherence to low carb mandatory.

Why? I hadn't heard that at all.

The change in hormones is immediate presumably because most of the
stomach is bypassed and is not stimulated by eating.

The not eating part is caused by the band. *It can as easily be caused
by doing the fat fast. *That should trigger the same metabolic changes.

So you say, without any evidence whatever to support it.
Have you not seen the reports and research going on to
understand the mystifying changes scene in most of
these patients within days of the surgery. *Like the
complete reversal of diabetes?

Or the adverse effects:

The possible complications of bariatric surgery have nothing to
do with the mysterious effect where diabetes is reversed within days
in many patients.

What's so "mysterious" about them?

They appear to be the same effects seen from low-carb diets.

Well, for one thing they are NOT on a LC diet.
And for another the complete reversal of diabetes occurs
within a couple of days. Now, LC can certainly help
control diabetes. And some diabetics may be able to
use less medications or go off medications after
some period of LC. But I have not heard evidence of
the diabetes being basicly reversed in just a few days.
That fast, instant reversal is what has medical
researchers intrigued for obvious reasons.





Nor with the false comparison of a fat fast to the
diet of post bariatric surgery patients.

What's "false" about it?

Because the diet of post bariatric patients is NOT a
fat fast. It's not even LC. So, you can't account for
what is being seen in gastric bypass patients by
claiming that. The specific claim that was made
was:

"It is certain that bariatric surgery makes total adherence
to low carb mandatory. "

That is just BS.



You seemed to have left those adverse effects out.

I was NOT debating the pros or cons of bariatric surgery.
Neither was James who brought it up. So, there was no
need to discuss the adverse effects.
The sole issue was Doug trying to attribute
the mysterious effects seen in these patients to a LC
diet. Which is wrong.





I think just about anything is worth a try, before considering
bariatric surgery. Even the fat fast (under a doctor's supervision).
But no one was arguing that point.

I never said they were.

It's just my opinion.

Asshole.

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