On Aug 15, 12:15*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Who_me? wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

I considered a larger point by point reply but the above is all that
really needs to be addressed. *There are a handfull of signs that
someone is here just to troll.

If disagreeing with those who have a closed minded viewpoint is trolling
then yes, I am trolling.

Even admitting that he's trolling. *Ah well, one more for the kill file
after I post this.

One is lying
about Dr Atkins being overweight when he slipped on the ice and broke
his skull.

Who mentioned Atkins death?

I was the first to mention it but sure enough you dove into it face
first with lies. *At 195 and 6' he was somewhere between at idle body
weight and a bit below it on his last day at work. *He'd started looking
a bit gaunt in his last years but less so than most men his age. *Life
long low carbing was very good for him. *But do go right ahead and state
that he didn't have the body fat percentage of a competitive body
builder. *It's what trolls do.

You do not need to go into Ketosis

True or low fat systems would work for no one.

is gains you nothing in a real sense.

False.

Carb cravings, for those who get carb cravings, turn off while in
ketosis. Ketonurian is easily tested and guarantees ketosis. The lack
of carb cravings while low carbing may be the biggest advantage that
low carbing has so a system that turns off carb cravings for those who
get them is a huge gain.


This is one of the most galling parts of this snob troll. He
dismisses the huge benefit that you get from LC which is
that it doesn't leave you hungry all the time as most
other diets do. The
part that proves him a fool is that Dukan, who's diet he
thinks is peachy keen, lists that as a key benefit. Dukan
obviously understands the importance of having a diet
that the average person can stick to. The snob thinks
anyone that succumbs to carb cravings or hunger is
just a weak person. He refuses to even acknowledge
what we all know and that is that people are genetically
different and there is a genetic component contributing
to obesity, making it harder for some people to lose
or maintain weight.

In addition to putting you into ketosis in the first phase
Dukan does not limit the quantities of food you can
have. Sound familiar? It also has 4 phases, adding
back in good carbs, just like Atkins. In short, it's very
similar.

One place it's different is that in the "Attack Phase", it's
almost pure protein. The only fat on the list of foods
allowed is dairy product with less than 5% fat. You do
that for 10 days. Yet, somehow that is both safe and
a great diet. Yet, Atkins which starts you off at 20g
a day of carbs together with fat, is supposed to
make your kidneys explode.

I think truth is he knows very little about either Atkins
or Dukan. He's certainly made a complete ass of
himself here.






There is the initial water loss from low carbing and it is more for
folks who go into ketosis. *That lower water retention tends to lower
blood pressure in folks who previously had high blood pressure. *Dr A
stated that lowered blood pressure was the single most predictable
result of his plan.

Claiming that they already
had some degree of damage is disingenuous as all people have varying
degrees of kidney efficiency loss, particularly those who have no cared for
their health with regard to diet and exercise. When was the last time that
you had a full work-up?

I get urine tests every 3 years starting the year before I started low
carbing.

*Irrelevancies about competitive body builders.

Why irrelevant?

Because there are a list of qualifiers for using his plan. *Being a
marathoner or competitive body builder means his plan is not
appropriate.

In fact there are some low carbing marathoners and they do fine for
their age brackets but they aren't the competitors and they do follow
all of the Atkins guidelines including increased carb intake based on
amount of exercise. They tend to be at or over 100 grams per day on
their CCLM maintenance plans while running marathons. *Low carbing does
increase endurance when the directions regarding exercise are followed.
As you did body building when you started it is clear you ignored that
part of the directions. *Other parts as well - What's your CCLL and CCLM
and how did you measure them? *No need to respond as I will have you in
my kill file once I post this.

It isn't just people who are fat who look for optimum diets
- people like me are just as relevant as people like you.

Different people, different optimal plan.

If a diet is
damaging to an athlete of any type, then it is not a good long term idea
for anyone.

Stupid people sometimes think so. *They are incorrect. *One percenters
need top percenter plans. *Large population segment folks need large
segment plans.