On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:57:59 +1000, Who_me?
wrote:

On 15/08/11 8:26 PM, Harold Groot wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:08:15 +1000,
wrote:

On 15/08/11 4:20 PM, Harold Groot wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:27:46 +1000,
wrote:

Do you take gullibility pills? If that was the case, why don't all corpses
of people who die after hospitalisation gain weight over their initial weight?

The controversy started BEFORE he died, before he went into hospital after
a photo of him was circulated showing a huge weight gain. The Atkins group
claim that it was a Photoshopped image. Maybe it was, but his autopsy
photos weren't.

According to the official hospital records (released by his widow), he
weighed 195 when he was admitted to the hospital on 4/8/2003. At 6
feet tall, that may not be the absolute optimum but it's certainly a
quite reasonable weight.

According to the official death certificate, he weighed 258 at the
time of his death on 4/17/2003 (after having been in a coma for more
than a week). This is consistent with kidney failure and fluid
accumulation. You had IV fluids going in (with nutrition and
medicines to try to keep him alive) and no fluids coming out. Of
course a person gains weight when that happens. A fluid in a 2-liter
IV bag weighs a bit over 4 pounds. If he gets only 2 IV bags per day,
that's over 8 pounds/day. In a week that's over 56 pounds. Get the
picture?

Why don't all people who die after hospitalization gain huge amounts
of weight? Gee, do you think it might have something to do with the
fact that the great majority do NOT go through kidney failure and get
kept alive for a significant amount of time in that state?

You might want to consider how many gullibility pills YOU have been
swallowing.


People in hospital who have kidney failure are on dialysis, conscious or in
a coma. There would have been no massive fluid retention. Better swallow
some more pills, reality is sneaking up on you.

I'm quite familiar with Kidney failure and dialysis, thank you very
much. My mother is currently on dialysis, and I help her with it. But
there can be reasons why a person would not be put on it. If other
organs are already failing, for example, the person would probably not
be a candidate for dialysis (even the emergency sort performed with no
prior preparation). Dr. Atkins died of "multiple organ failure", so
it would seem reasonable likely that that was the case with him. But
not having the full case files, it's rather hard to prove anything.

You still haven't explained the official hospital record showing his
weight WHEN HE WAS ADMITTED to be 195. Do you think that that
official record is just part of some vast conspiracy?




I have been in hospital several times in my life, three time admitted with
illness or injury of a serious nature. I have attended when several other
people have been admitted. Not once have I, my wife, or those who I was
associated with been actually weighed on admission. Usually it is the
person who attends the admission, the friend or family member of the
patient who fills in the forms that ask - among other things - age, weight,
allergies, etc. I can still recall my wife's indignation when she was
admitted for kidney stones and I had given her weight as 110lbs when she
was actually 105.

Not doing too well so far - would you like to try harder?

I've also been admitted to the hospital and have been with others who
were admitted. Taking weight, temperature and blood pressure was
standard. You know, actual MEASUREMENTS of medically significant
items. Heck, that's standard even on a routine visit to a doctor in
his office.

And besides, the difference between 105 and 110 is not immediately
visible. You apparently couldn't tell, even with someone you were
very familiar with. So in a situation as you describe, I can see an
error like that not getting caught. But a difference between 195 and
258 is very obvious. That ought to get an answer of "Are you kidding
me? C'mon, we really need to know his correct weight."

So you, so far, are not impressing ME. All you offer is "the doctors
who treated him, the person who admitted him, and all his co-workers
are all lying, it's all a big conspiracy" without offering a shred of
proof. So I guess we're done here. You're going to believe what you
want to believe, and nothing is going to change that.