On 8/10/2011 5:39 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:22:24 +1000,
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 5:41 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:42:59 +1000,
wrote:
[...]
He loathes America
and everything we stand for.

We? You are now the official US spokesperson?

Yeah, we. I represent the majority of Americans.

Did your alarm clock fail to go off? You appear to be dreaming.

Snip nonsense.

Yeah, you have to "snip the nonsense" because you have nothing to
refute it.

We just made the mistake of trying to save South Vietnam
from communist despots, engaging in a war that could
not be won for a variety of reasons.

No you didn't.

Yes, we did. That's why I was there.

I was there, but somehow I doubt that you were. You would have more
awareness if you had been.

I dropped out of college to serve my country. I was among the first
Marines (3rd MEB)to land in Da Nang. And no one as clueless as you
seem to be about the Vietnam War ever served in-country.

I don't believe you. You would have more political awareness about the
era if that was so.


You're a ****ty little liar, from a ****ty little country.

You can't get anything right - can you?

Firstly, I am from a country similar in size to the US - it isn't little
and it certainly isn't ****ty. We have a much higher standard of living
than the US. Secondly, your pathetic lack of real knowledge is almost
embarrassing. You parrot US propaganda, your concept of history seems to
be based on US press release and jingoistic American movies, comic
books, or TV shows.


The US Government made a point of publicising, heavily
and widely publicising the reason why they invaded Vietnam. It wasn't to
"save" South Vietnam. Do some research. Google the "Domino Theory".

For someone with a supposedly eidetic memory and member of Mensa,
you're an awfully stupid person.

Why? What I said is absolutely valid.

What you said is totally wrong. We went to Vietnam to "save" the South
from being overrun with commie pinkos like you.

Then why did your own government claim to have entirely different
reasons? The US did a lot of international bull****ting at the start of
the conflict - much like the bull**** about WMDs more recently. They
have now lost all international trust.

Let me know if ever you have something that can be supported with
documented evidence that doesn't originate in some US made war movie or
similar. That probably won't happen, as I doubt that you can tell the
difference.



In case you forgot (more likely, you never knew), the North (commies)
was attacking the South. With the help of China.

So what? It wasn't anything to do with the US, it had been going on for
more than a century and all the US did is cost lives - they won NOTHING.


If you know anything at all about the Domino Theory, it was that once
communism got a foothold in Southeast Asia, other countries would fall
like "dominoes," i.e., other countries would be pressed into
communism. That's what we were fighting against. The spread of
communism. You can look it up.

Hang about, a post or so back you were claiming that America attacked
North Vietnam in order to save South Vietnam. Once I mention the Domino
theory you change your tune and ask me if "I" know anything about it.
You're losing it dim bulb.

You don't even know who you're responding to anymore, if you ever did.
Trader said that, and he was right. We attacked the North who were (at
the time) in the South, to SAVE the South from being overrun. To SAVE
them from communism. Thus, the Domino Theory.

Bull****. Why did your president say - on television, at the onset of
the Vietnam conflict - in a world wide address, that they were fighting
world communism? Not Vietnamese communism. In other words, America
decided that it didn't like a valid political system and decided to
attack countries that supported it? Only countries that they thought -
mistakenly - that they could beat. They didn't attack Russia as they
knew that in that case they would definitely get their asses kicked.


"The domino theory was used by successive United States administrations
during the Cold War to clarify the need for American intervention around
the world."

It was a pretty good theory at the time. See: South Korea.

It was rubbish then and now. The US has no right to decide what type of
Government other countries have.

And we didn't. The South didn't want to become communist. They were
(and still are) ardent capitalists. And we supported their desire to
remain capitalists.

Not altruistically, America was using them for America's own political
agenda.

You know who the Vietnamese hate the most today? Yes, the French, from
that ****ty little country of France, for trying to colonialize them.

Why do so many speak French? The French are still there - not the
military, but the French colonialists. After three hundred years they
are a part of the country.

I've been back to Vietnam, and almost without exception, the folks in
the south still like Americans.

More nonsense. They tolerate tourists but any families who lost
relatives, and that is most - despise the US.


It is nice to see that you now accept
that America is a war-mongering nation

If you attack our friends, if you attempt to overthrow our friends, if
you attempt to spread communism, you're going to have to deal with us.

America has no friends. My country once supported America, we fought
alongside it, but it would bring down our Government if they were to try
to support America again. The people have had enough of the "US BS" and
bullying Big Brother politics.


That's not "war-mongoring." That's DEFENDING FREEDOM.

That is parroting US propaganda.


- but you can stop trying to
justify its actions. There is no justification. They made no political
difference, they just killed a lot of people.

We killed a lot of commies. Which is always a "good thing."

Why? Communism, even if you don't agree with it - and I don't - is still
a valid political system. What gives a country the right to kill people
who endorse a political system that they disprove of, and without direct
provocation.

You clearly are as bad as those in the Bush regime. You support killing
people just because you don't like something about them. Those who
attacked the World Trade Centre did the same, but they had a lot of
provocation. What they did was wrong, very wrong, but they were
following a precedent set by US foreign policy over several decades.

Why is what they did so different to what the US has done for decades?
Attack and kill people who follow an ideology that they don't agree
with? if you could attack and kill those in the US who follow a
political party that you don't agree with - would you do it? They say
that the Tea Party is stockpiling arms. Is this where the next conflict
will be - domestic?

You are a politically and historically naive puppet. You have no empathy
for the millions who have been killed or harmed by US foreign policy,
and your concept of history is based on propaganda.

You are an unpleasant, slow witted, barely literate fool.

At least your current president - who unlike you has access to real
facts and real history - has made attempts to apologise for America's
actions over the past decades. Why is that if these things didn't (as
you claim) happen? Was he bored and had nothing better to do?

Let's leave it at that, no point in arguing with a xenophobic closed
minded bigot. Your own President disagrees with you, he knows exactly
what America has done, he understands the damage it has caused to
millions, and he takes every opportunity to apologise. It won't change
International opinion of the US overnight, but it is a start, a step
toward conciliation.

I am back at work from tomorrow, my body cast is off, my final stitches
out and I have already started physiotherapy. Although arguing with
fools helped pass the time whilst recuperating, it isn't productive.
America is circling the drain, it can't get its political act together,
it is bankrupt, and it has no friends. It will be sad to watch, as
although I don't like US governments, I do like US people, but it is
going to follow in the footsteps of the Soviet Union and collapse.

China, the world's next political and economical super-power holds its
mortgage, it cannot compete in a world market trade-wise as it cannot
manufacture anything at a cost that is competitive. It cannot survive on
export - it has nothing significant of value to export. The future looks
grim even to the optimists. I am glad that I don't live there.

Like all empires before it, America has passed its use by date and the
marks left on history are not of greatness, they are of greed, bullying
and pettiness. At least the Romans and the British left an impression on
history that they could be proud of, unlike the US.

I wonder what the era of Chinese domination will be like?

Good luck finding, let alone following - the American dream