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On Oct 8, 12:18*am, Who_me? wrote:
On 8/10/2011 5:39 AM, Dogman wrote:





On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:22:24 +1000,
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 5:41 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:42:59 +1000,
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He loathes America
and everything we stand for.

We? You are now the official US spokesperson?

Yeah, we. *I represent the majority of Americans.

Did your alarm clock fail to go off? You appear to be dreaming.

Snip nonsense.

Yeah, you have to "snip the nonsense" because you have nothing to
refute it.

We just made the mistake of trying to save South Vietnam
from communist despots, engaging in a war that could
not be won for a variety of reasons.

No you didn't.

Yes, we did. That's why I was there.

I was there, but somehow I doubt that you were. You would have more
awareness if you had been.

I dropped out of college to serve my country. *I was among the first
Marines (3rd MEB)to land in Da Nang. And no one as clueless as you
seem to be about the Vietnam War ever served in-country.

I don't believe you. You would have more political awareness about the
era if that was so.


I believe him. He sounds like a true American to
me.




You're a ****ty little liar, from a ****ty little country.

You can't get anything right - can you?

Firstly, I am from a country similar in size to the US - it isn't little
and it certainly isn't ****ty.


The above is the clearest example yet of how
stupid you are. France is about twice the size
of Colorado. I bet you lie about the size of your
penis too.





We have a much higher standard of living
than the US.

Wrong again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

The USA is ranked 4th in the world. France is 14.
Ahead of France are Ireland, Canada, Sweden,
Germany, Japan, Switzerland, and oh, I love this
one: South Korea.

You know, that little country where according to
you the USA waged a needless war. Had we
not defended them from the commies, they would
be living like the hell hole of North Korea now.





The US Government made a point of publicising, heavily
and widely publicising the reason why they invaded Vietnam. It wasn't
to
"save" South Vietnam. *Do some research. Google the "Domino Theory".

For someone with a supposedly eidetic memory and member of Mensa,
you're an awfully stupid person.

Why? What I said is absolutely valid.

What you said is totally wrong. We went to Vietnam to "save" the South
from being overrun with commie pinkos like you.

Then why did your own government claim to have entirely different
reasons? The US did a lot of international bull****ting at the start of
the conflict - much like the bull**** about WMDs more recently. They
have now lost all international trust.

That trust will come back quickly next time
some **** ant country that you choose to
ignore invades you again.




Let me know if ever you have something that can be supported with
documented evidence that doesn't originate in some US made war movie or
similar. That probably won't happen, as I doubt that you can tell the
difference.

It just did happen with the standard of living data
above, fool.



In case you forgot (more likely, you never knew), the North (commies)
was attacking the South. With the help of China.

So what? It wasn't anything to do with the US, it had been going on for
more than a century and all the US did is cost lives - they won NOTHING.

Following that logic, when Germany attacked France,
it was nothing to do with the USA either.
We could have just said, not our problem. But we
didn't do that, did we? Actually, we focused the
initial war effort MORE on Europe.






If you know anything at all about the Domino Theory, it was that once
communism got a foothold in Southeast Asia, other countries would fall
like "dominoes," i.e., other countries would be pressed into
communism. That's what we were fighting against. The spread of
communism. You can look it up.

Hang about, a post or so back you were claiming that America attacked
North Vietnam in order to save South Vietnam. Once I mention the Domino
theory you change your tune and ask me if "I" know anything about it.
You're losing it dim bulb.

You don't even know who you're responding to anymore, if you ever did.
Trader said that, and he was right. We attacked the North who were (at
the time) in the South, to SAVE the South from being overrun. *To SAVE

* them from communism. Thus, the Domino Theory.

Bull****. Why did your president say - on television, at the onset of
the Vietnam conflict - in a world wide address, that they were fighting
world communism? Not Vietnamese communism. In other words, America
decided that it didn't like a valid political system and decided to
attack countries that supported it?

A valid political system. So, depite claiming to be
right wing, you are a card carrying commie, aren't
you? That political system enslaved people with
no basic human rights. Stalin committed genocide
under that "valid" govt system, killing 20 mil people.
How many millions are dying today in North Korea
under that system? What happened to the students
in China who dared to question their govt? Only
a fool would think communism is a vaild govt
system. It only works by taking away freedom
by force.



Only countries that they thought -
mistakenly - that they could beat. They didn't attack Russia as they
knew that in that case they would definitely get their asses kicked.



Oh, please. At the end of WWII, the USA had the
atomic bomb and Russia didn't. If we were the war
mongering nation you believe us to be, we could
have creamed them. And maybe we should have
creamed them enough to kick their asses out of
Eastern Europe instead of letting all those countries
become serf states of Russia.





"The domino theory was used by successive United States
administrations
during the Cold War to clarify the need for American intervention
around
the world."

It was a pretty good theory at the time. *See: South Korea.

It was rubbish then and now. The US has no right to decide what type of
Government other countries have.

We never decided what govt any country should have.
We did help countries defend themselves against
COMMUNIST AGRESSION. Like when North Korea
attacked South Korea. Or North Vietnam invaded
South Vietnam. Or when we put our asses on the
line risking nuclear war to keep the Russian out
of West Germany and Taiwan.




And we didn't. *The South didn't want to become communist. *They were
(and still are) ardent capitalists. *And we supported their desire to
remain capitalists.

Not altruistically, America was using them for America's own political
agenda.

Yeah, just like we used the French when we saved
you from the Germans who through your own
stupidity and weakness, you were incapable of
handling yourself.



You know who the Vietnamese hate the most today? Yes, the French, from
that ****ty little country of France, for trying to colonialize them.

Why do so many speak French? The French are still there - not the
military, but the French colonialists. After three hundred years they
are a part of the country.

I've been back to Vietnam, and almost without exception, the folks in
the south still like Americans.

More nonsense. They tolerate tourists but any families who lost
relatives, and that is most - despise the US.



Sure they do. That's why when your commie friends
from the North finally overran the South, you saw
boatloads of people, hundreds of thousands, fleeing
on anything that would float to escape the country.
And where did most of them go? To France?
No, they came here, to the land of the free, USA.





It is nice to see that you now accept
that America is a war-mongering nation

If you attack our friends, if you attempt to overthrow our friends, if
you attempt to spread communism, you're going to have to deal with us.

America has no friends. My country once supported America, we fought
alongside it, but it would bring down our Government if they were to try
to support America again. The people have had enough of the "US BS" and
bullying Big Brother politics.

Yes, like so many other countries, you'll be our friend
again when you need us.


- but you can stop trying to
justify its actions. There is no justification. They made no political
difference, they just killed a lot of people.

We killed a lot of commies. Which is always a "good thing."

Why? Communism, even if you don't agree with it - and I don't - is still
a valid political system.

The Nazi party was a vaild political system too.
How did that work out for you French?


What gives a country the right to kill people
who endorse a political system that they disprove of, and without direct
provocation.

You clearly are as bad as those in the Bush regime. You support killing
people just because you don't like something about them. Those who
attacked the World Trade Centre did the same, but they had a lot of
provocation.

Yeah, they sure did. We won't convert to their radical
Muslim religion. That's provocation for you. As I recall
Al-Qaeda has killed French citizens and has France
on it's target list too. Guess you all provoked them too.



What they did was wrong, very wrong, but they were
following a precedent set by US foreign policy over several decades.

An outrageous lie.


Why is what they did so different to what the US has done for decades?

That about sums up what a fool you are.



Attack and kill people who follow an ideology that they don't agree
with?

We have never attacked and killed people who follow an
ideology we did not agree with. South Vietnam was
INVADED. South Korea was INVADED. France was
INVADED. Get it now?


You are a politically and historically naive puppet.

You're what Stalin would call a useful idiot.



You have no empathy
for the millions who have been killed or harmed by US foreign policy,
and your concept of history is based on propaganda.

You have no appreciation for all the people living
in the world today that are free because of the
sacrifices this country has made. And that includes
you, Frenchy.




You are an unpleasant, slow witted, barely literate fool.

At least your current president - who unlike you has access to real
facts and real history - has made attempts to apologise for America's
actions over the past decades. Why is that if these things didn't (as
you claim) happen? Was he bored and had nothing better to do?

No, he's just another leftist, who finds fault with most
things American, unless it's run by the govt.. His election was
clearly a mistake,
the polls show he is out of touch with mainstream
America and he won't be re-elected.




Let's leave it at that, no point in arguing with a xenophobic closed
minded bigot.

Yes, you're speaking about yourself, right?


Your own President disagrees with you, he knows exactly
what America has done, he understands the damage it has caused to
millions, and he takes every opportunity to apologise. It won't change
International opinion of the US overnight, but it is a start, a step
toward conciliation.

I couldn't care less about what someone in
France thinks about the USA.



I am back at work from tomorrow, my body cast is off, my final stitches
out and I have already started physiotherapy.

Was it brain surgery?


Although arguing with
fools helped pass the time whilst recuperating, it isn't productive.
America is circling the drain, it can't get its political act together,
it is bankrupt, and it has no friends. It will be sad to watch, as
although I don't like US governments, I do like US people,

Sure you do. Those people elected those govts. The
majority stand behind this country and the good it has
done in the world. And we despise American haters
like you.



but it is
going to follow in the footsteps of the Soviet Union and collapse.

China, the world's next political and economical super-power holds its
mortgage, it cannot compete in a world market trade-wise as it cannot
manufacture anything at a cost that is competitive.

Then how is it that the USA is still the largest
manufacturer in the world? Where exactly are
the French Intels and Microsofts?



It cannot survive on
export - it has nothing significant of value to export. The future looks
grim even to the optimists. I am glad that I don't live there.

We are glad too.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis