"Lictor" wrote in message ...
"The Voice of Reason" wrote in message
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I said 'impairs' not 'completely stops'. You can dance, but nowhere
near as good as if you lost excess body fat. My point is proven.

I think you should explain that to a Sumo wrestler, a weight lifter in the
unlimited category or even a Judoka... In these sports, as long as they have
a large lean mass, *any* extra mass helps perform better.

We were discussing dancing, not sumo wrestling or heavyweight
weight-lifting, those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

They would nevertheless be stigmatized as overweight or even obese nowadays.
Even though they had the normal healthy woman body. Modern fashion magazines
actually advertise bodies that are *unhealthy* for women. There are health
risks associated with getting your BMI under the norm, and the large
majority of fashion models have a BMI that is dangerously under that norm.

Modern fashion magazines are aimed at women, the women in there are
not necessarily what is attractive to men, but rather to women.

I think you will find that there is a difference between being "fat" -
i.e. maybe 10-20 lbs over what is now considered an ideal weight - and
being "obese", when you may have anything up to 100 lbs to lose.

There isn't even a reason to be 10 pounds overweight, it's just
laziness.

There is no reason to lose weight if you are 10 pounds overweight either.

There is: when you're lighter your movement is easier and you look
better. For example compare a six-pack of abs to a wobbly gut.

How do you define "10lbs overweight" btw?

I personally don't measure how fat someone is by their weight, but
rather than their body-fat percentage.

According to BMI?

No, only an idiot even mentions BMI in a discussion of how fat someone
is.

I can't think of anywhere in the developed world where obesity is
thought of as attractive.

It depends on what you call obese. Though if you check the
alt.sex.binaries.* newsgroups, some people obviously find extreme obesity
attractive.

Well, I hadn't taken fetishists into account!

In places with no food storage, anyone could become obese in
order to become attractive, and so it would no longer be a
distinguishing feature.

Anyone *with good genetics*, which is precisely why it was attractive in the
first place, because it showed superior genetics.

No, it's because food was scarce. Anyone can put on weight, it's
simply a matter of eating more food than can be used by the body.

It also showed the power
of the familly. They were so rich they could afford to buy extra food to
make their daughters the most attractive.

It showed wealth and power as they had more access to the food and
didn't need to do physical work.