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Old February 5th, 2007, 04:15 PM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
GaryG
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Default Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

"The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 5, 2:41 pm, "GaryG" wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in

glegroups.com...



convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
friend Mu wrote:
neighbor Caleb wrote:


If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions

about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to

see
them there!


Yours,


Caleb


Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day

diet,
and
how much you regained from day 101 onwards?


janice


So it is him!


Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on

alt.support.diet.low-calorie
my
progress.


I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult

or
complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people

suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible

dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket

science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is

not
easy.


I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this

time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that

tough
to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first

started
this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc.,

etc.

Couple of points for people to remember:


There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their

attention.

It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up.


Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I

have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since

'99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb"

"balance
beam" on Google.)


Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat

adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.


Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea

and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle

speeding
up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.


Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and

just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you,

you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their

weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic

in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may

vary!"
And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for

different
folks.


To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not

easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually

plows
a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential

things.

Yours,


Caleb


Caleb, Mu here.


Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be

practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?


Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.


Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption

control,
so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.


Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with

the
assistance of exercise.


The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost

significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or

longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be

highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825

kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per

day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.


The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help

with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to

getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what

one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.
Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


Hey, that's pretty cool...I'm sure many athletes would be interested in

that
"training strategy". So, you're saying that you're capable of running

an
ultramarathon, due only to your lowered body fat levels? Have you ever
actually completed an ultramarathon to confirm your assertion? If so,
please provide us with a link to the results web page g.

which can not be completely lost by exercise but only by
eating less down to the optimal amount which does result in becoming
hungrier that one has ever been in one's life.


Again, this obsession with hunger...the more you speak of your

experience
with the 2 Pound Diet (2PD), the more it sounds like an eating disorder.





And, of course, there are many, many other benefits to being

physically
active besides just the calories burned - increased cardiovascular

fitness
(strangely, whacko Chung never mentions this...perhaps he's too

tired to
exercise due to his eating disorder), increased mental function,

decreased
depression, etc., etc.


Actually, my discussions with Don Kirkman about personally being
physically active remain in the Google archives to prove that you
remain untruthful.


You may have made some silly and unproven claims as to your physical
prowess, but the vast majority of your advice to others is to lose

weight
only by focusing on becoming hungry...you never mention the health

and/or
weight loss benefits of physical activity.

If your intent has been to deceive, you have now provided evidence for
you to be judged a liar.


If your intent has been to insult me, you have failed yet again.


Earthquack's intended insults are compliments. The ultimate accolade
is "Demon"


LOL - I think the order of progression is "Dear Neighbor",
"Liar/Untruthful", "Convicted", "Mark of Satan", and finally "Demon" (though
I may have overlooked some intermediate categories).

GG