Susan wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Low carb induces the biochemical changes that come from a successful
predator diet.

Total non sequitir.

Says you. It's not my job to ensure you understand every statement.

It's true that ketosis from low carb is the sign of a successful
predator diet. Try checking the ketosis levels of a meat fed cat some
time. It's true that ketosis from fasting is the sign of starvation.
Try checking the ketosis levels of a fasting human some time. Which
better reflects what we actually eat? Which colors the perception in a
way that gets used against us?

Calling it a starvation respondse does not make sense
given what low carbers actually eat.

It's a standard buzzword sound-bite response that is used to dismiss the
benefits and validity of low carb eating.

You're way off base here; ketosis is an age old signal that the body is
burning it's stores,

Which is one of the goals when we low carb. A factor that has nothing
to do with eating so little we're starving. In fact it's in the design
of every well known low carb plan to ultilize this metabolic loophole to
burn stored fat without triggering starvation moded.

that's why metabolism rate adapts, to conserve them.

Stalls do in fact happen in a very large number of people who go too low
too long. In fact it's in the design of every well known low carb plan
to avoid such stalls.

Calorie reduction life extension plans appear to leave their animal
subjects hungry 24/7 for their entire lives. An attempt to duplicate
most of the benefits in a human using low carb would mean not being
hungry and would automatically include not eating to excess.

Non sequitir.

Says you. It's not my job to ensure you understand every statement.

It the longevity study on low calorie monkeys had worked I would have
said the next step was to do a low carb monkey study. Because low
carbing has us not hungry, so it might have monkeys not hungry and, so I
thought until the results of that study came out, have also resulted in
longevity benefits.

I'm not arguing in favor of life extension caloric restriction, I'm
saying that you can get the benefits of it with ketosis, but going low
carb is not enough; you also have to restrict calories to no more than
you will use. The excess raises mortality risks, like triglycerides,
for example.

Restricting low calorie to what you will use is called potion control.
While Dr A asserted that it happens automatically with every At-kid we
know he wasn't correct in that statement. Portion control becomes
possible for some, easy for many while low carbing. We do encounter
people who continue to over eat while low carbing. We call such people
ones who have not read the directions.

If you want to have a discussion, please limit your responses to what
I've actually stated, not some imaginary or straw man discussion.

And no ficts, just facts, please.

Back at you on that.