On 25 Jan 2004 19:30:47 -0800, (kvs) posted:

(tcomeau) wrote in message . com...

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http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/na...?storyID=74896

Surprise: Low-carb dieters eat more calories, still lose weight

By DANIEL Q. HANEY

AP Medical Editor

10/14/2003


Others, though, found the data hard to swallow.

"It doesn't make sense, does it?" said Barbara Rolls of Pennsylvania
State University. "It violates the laws of thermodynamics. No one has
ever found any miraculous metabolic effects."

This is not uttered by a scientist but a lemming. Why is it so hard
for these drones to understand that the action of insulin affects how
glucose is metabolized?

Does it? Could you please explain?

Diets which involve higher insulin output
will involve more fat storage than those that do not.

Surely it depends on how many calories are absorbed and how many are
needed. If you eat 2000 calories of glucose, and expend 3000 calories
running a marathon, you won't store any fat.
Doesn't matter what your insulin level is.

In addition,
insulin resistance differentiates individuals in terms of fat storage
rate.

Fat storage occurs when there are excess calories about.
Without these, no fat storage occurs.
To get fat, you have to eat too much. End of story.
Unless you want to get into why folks eat too much. I don't.

Individuals with fewer insulin receptors in the membranes of
their cells will convert more glucose to tryglicerides stored in
adipose tissue than "normal" individuals who convert glucose to heat
through higher levels of cellular respiration.

These unfortunate individuals with the fewer insulin receptors are
suffering from what disease? Why are they wasting glucose as heat?
Perhaps they are doing lots of exercise and these cells are muscle
cells?

Both types of
individuals will get fat on sufficient excess food consumption for a
given exercise level but the former will get fatter faster.

So where do these mysterious extra calories come from?
Fat storage requires 9 extra calories for each gram of fat stored.

No
violations of energy conservation are involved.

Hang on, you say that these two individuals eat the same calories, and
do the same exercise, but one group will get fatter? Water retention?
Last I looked, fat weighed about one gram for each 9 calories stored.

Clearly Barbara Rolls doesn't know anything about thermodynamics.
Thermodynamics is the aggregate behaviour of a system and derives from
the microphysics of the system (in statistical mechanics everything
flows from the system Hamiltonian, but good luck writing it down).

Codswallop. Thermo is nothing of the kind.

Greene said she can only guess why the people getting the extra
calories did so well. Maybe they burned up more calories digesting
their food.

It couldn't possibly be insulin related could it now...sheesh.

So insulin can now dissolve calories?

Insulin is the fat storage switch.

Bull****! Energy excess is the fat storage switch.

It is obvious why the people that
ate a diet which induced less insulin output could avoid fat storage
at a higher calorie level.

But we don't know what they did. Almost nothing was measured,
remember?
These higher calorie levels? Without fat storage? Where did the extra
calories go, do you think?

The only way that you can lose weight on
a high carbohydrate diet is through the right level of exercise or
calorie restriction.

Same for any calorie intake. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

If the additional 300 calories were given to the
high carb group they would not have lost anywhere near the amount of
weight that the low carb group did.

Well can you tell us what this weight that was lost consisted of?

This shows that the study is
"fixed" against low carb. The only fair comparison is for identical
calorie consumption on both types of diet.

Been done hundreds of times. And properly.

Dr. Samuel Klein of Washington University, the obesity organization's
president, called the results "hard to believe" and said perhaps the
people eating more calories also got more exercise or they were less
apt to cheat because they were less hungry.

Twit. This joker is accusing the people on the high carb diet of
cheating and spoiling the image of the rotten theory he adheres to.
He should buy a clue instead of buying a phony internet M.D.
certificate.

And you should not be so gullible. The study said nothing. It was a
total waste of time and money.

Moosh