On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
wrote:

In article , Chupacabra wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:33:00 GMT, Doug Freese
wrote:

Lyle McDonald wrote:
this depends on a host of factors such as

duration/intensity
length of adaptation

Quite true.


your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active
individuals to your average obese person.

Of course I am because exercise MUST be used in tandem with food to
control weight. Those that try to control their weight by food alone
have at best short term results.

Bull****. Those that try to control their weight by food alone just
fine if they have any willpower.

"If they have any willpower" is the bit that gets most of them (-;

The ideal weight loss/maintenance program shouldn't demand enormous amounts
of willpower.

Understood, but nor does it demand exercise per se

And IMO it takes just as much willpower for most people to stick to a
decent exercise regimen ("It's cold! It's raining! I'm tired! I'm
busy!" et cetera ad infinitum) than it does to make a few dietary
changes.

Personally I love working out and hate dieting so it's the damned
cookies that always get to me. Curse their tempting sweetness.

It's still a calorie game. If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph
you are burning off roughly 200 calories.

That walker must have incredibly long legs.

I think he meant 15 minutes per mile. If you can hold 15mph for 4 minutes,
you're a 4-minute miler.

Again, understood, but I would hate to pass up an opportunity to make
a snarky comment. Just wouldn't do!

Cheers,