Doug Freese wrote:


your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active
individuals to your average obese person.

Of course I am because exercise MUST be used in tandem with food to
control weight.

Err, no.
People lose weight and maintain that loss without exercise all the time.

Exercise is beneficial but it is by no means REQUIRED.

In any event, you managed to avoid my question in the first place:

Let's say someone is using brisk walking as their primary exercise (not uncommon).

HOw many carbs do they NEED to sustain that?

True they're active but they did this knowing they needed take some
action which is the first step. This in not unlike AA where you must
admit you are an alcoholic before any corrective action can happen.
When people like tcomeau suggests stagnation and Atkins, I find it
very poor if not dangerous advice. It's a form of denial.

tcomeau is a moron.
You're not debating with him, yo'ure debating with me. So spare me the non-sequiturs.

Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average
person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either
because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)?

It's impossible to maintain weight without exercise

Bull****.

How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that?

It's still a calorie game. If you walk 30 minutes and average 15 mph
you are burning off roughly 200 calories. Now 200 is better than
zero but a cookie or two and you have broke even or possibly lost
ground. One needs to work up to 45 or an hour a day AND take some
necessary steps to eliminate some calories. I'm not suggesting
elimination of fat but to cut it DOWN to maybe 30%. If your also
health conscious and not just weight conscious then can the bad
fats. Simple carbs is a good place to start, with bad fat a good
second choice.

Are you ever going to answer my actual question?
How many carbs does someone NEED (i.e. in a biological/physiological
sense) to support the above type of training volume/intensity.

It's not so much a diet or exercise change but a lifestyle change
that includes diet and exercise. Once you adapt to an active
lifestyle you can then play with carb/pro/fat ratio. Even as an
exerciser one still has to be careful of what they eat. I can
exercise enough to stay thin and live on pure simple carbs. This
makes me thin but not necessarily healthy.

blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for the essay, now answer my actual question.

Lyle