On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Because that's all I'm saying here, and that's all Dr. Briffa is
saying!

One more time. *Dr. Briffa did an analysis where he
claimed that you have to treat 32 men in order to avoid
one stroke in 5 years. *He then called the benefit of
avoiding one stroke in 5 years a "slim benefit".

And that's what it is, for the very reasons I've already explained.

You haven't explained it. All you've done is to start
attacking me and trying to shift the issue away to
something else.

You're the one who's been doing the attacking. I merely made a post
about the wisdom of trying diet, nutrition, and lifestyle changes,
instead of automatically jumping on the drug train, which only a
drug-pushing asshole would recommend.

The side effects from taking these drugs can be debilitating, and can
even result in DEATH.

Most people wouldn't think it's a "huge benefit" if the side effects
of taking the drugs can also result in DEATH, among a long list of
life-long, debilitating effects.

The side effect of most drugs includes possible death.

Exactly. And that's why they should always be the last resort.

But even the other side effects from taking BP meds are nothing to
sniff at, e.g., impotence, dizziness, low blood sugar, muscle cramps,
constipation, headaches, bleeding gums, etc. - for essentially the
rest of one's life.

BP medications are generally well tolerated.

No, they are not. And for obvious reasons.

But diet, nutrition and lifestyle changes are.

So someone should give them a try FIRST, then make up their mind
whether they should take potentially debilitating drugs for the rest
of their lives.

No one has ever said that drugs should never be taken, but that they
should only be taken as a LAST RESORT.

And only some moron like you would call them "idiots."

Now, instead of staying on the point, you claim I'm
advocating people not try to lower their blood pressure
first by losing weight, exercise, etc.

That's pretty much what you were doing, otherwise there would have
been no need to reply.

QED.

You clearly have a problem with anyone who makes
any kind of comment regarding even a part of the
stuff you post.

The only reason you're even commenting on this post is because we
despise each other. And you see it as your job to harass me about
anything I post here.

I read what Dr. Briffa wrote. And he's coming from a
very strange viewpoint, where avoiding one person
in 32 having a stroke every 5 years is a "slim benefit".

It is a "slim benefit," which is another reason why diet, nutrition
and lifestyle changes should be TRIED FIRST!

Well, good luck with that, asshole!

Hypertension can also run in families, and may be absolutely nothing
to worry about.

I'm sure we'd all like to see the study that supports
that conclusion.

You can look it up. Well, maybe you can't, but anyone else can.

In other words, as usual, you have no supporting
data.

No, in other words, I'm not doing your work for you, and that's
because I don't like you.

If everyone in a family has elevated BP, but live
average lives, don't have strokes or heart attacks, why would you
necessarily want to lower it in the first place,

Study please to show that this pure speculation
exists. *Otherwise, it's just a strawman.

You can look it up.

In other words, as usual, you have no supporting
data.

See above.

But the mere thought that you don't even know that hypertension and/or
high cholesterol can run in families tells me all that I ever needed
to know about you - i.e., you're an idiot.

You probably should look up the term "straw man" too, because you
obviously don't know what that means.

especially after
considering that artificailly doing so may cause DEATH and other
life-long debilitating effects?

Do you realize that if you have a headache and take some
aspirin there is a risk of DEATH?

I'm not aware of it ever happening, but I suppose it's possible.

Anything is possible.

Then why aren't you running around talking about
the dangers of DEATH from aspirin?

But they do.

And you can easily find that, too.

Some families have abnormally high (or extremely low) levels of
cholesterol, too, but most of them lead normal lives, with normal
life-spans.

Study please.

Oh please.

Look it up for yourself. It's easy to do.

In other words, as usual, you have no supporting
data.

The internet is your friend!

Asshole.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman