On Jun 12, 12:19*pm, Dogman wrote:

There's no guarantee that any other cohort of 32 men would even
experience that "slim benefit," and you're totally ignoring the many
risk factors from taking these drugs, which include DEATH.

As usual, you're wandering of course here and
trying to confuse the issue.
Of course there is no guarantee that any particular
group of 32 men is going to experience the benefit,
ie avoiding a stroke. It's statistically expected, but
there is no guarantee for a particular group of 32.
One sample of 32 could have
no reduction in strokes, another sample of 32 could
have two less strokes. Together it averages out to
one less in 32. If we have a group of 32,000
we'd expect 1,000 less strokes. So, what's your
point?

The issue is the doctor says that 1 less stroke in
32 men over 5 years is slim. You apparently agree
with that. I say it's a huge benefit. That was the issue.




By all means, if you think these are good odds, then just
automatically take the drugs. Don't try anything else first.

There you go again. I never said anything about not trying
anything else first. It's always better to avoid drugs if
possible.



Yes, of course there is, because it's a lucrative business, but
they
all come with pretty much the same package of side effects, one of
which is DEATH.

Oh please. *More scare tactic nonsense.

To mention the many risk factors from taking these drugs is
"nonsense"?

It is when you blow them all out of proportion and
capitalize the word DEATH. BP medications are widely
used and well tolerated.




Not necessarily, because until one learns WHY he or she has BP that
high, simply taking a drug for it may not help solve the underlying
REASON(S) for it.

With most cases of hypertension, there is no known underlying
reason. *In some cases it's secondary to another disease. *We
do know there are some steps that can be taken by people with
hypertension that can help, eg keep their weight under control,
excercise. *I'm not suggesting that isn't a good idea.

That's exactly what you're doing, because that's all I'm saying!
That's all that Dr. Briffa is saying!

Again, you seem to have a problem here. This
has happened many times now. I take issue with
one specific part of something that some "expert"
has said. You then somehow try to twist that into
something totally different. In this case, I specifically
stated that IMO, Dr. Briffa is an idiot because he
thinks avoiding one stroke in 32 men over 5 years
is a slim benefit. I think that's a huge benefit.

Now, instead of staying on the point, you claim I'm
advocating people not try to lower their blood pressure
first by losing weight, exercise, etc.



Try diet, try nutrition, try lifestyle changes, before getting on the
drug train!

Great idea and everyone agrees it's good advice.
How well is that working in practice?




On the other hand, you seem to think that drugs are always the answer!

Which drug company do you work for? *Pfizer? *AstraZeneca? What?

Moron.



Yes, very typical. Anyone who has information that doesn't
jive with your little world must be working for someone,
getting paid, a shill, etc.
On the other hand, you and your sources
could never have any such motives, right?
Let's start with Dr. Briffa. Speaking of lucrative
businesses, does he not get paid for the books
he writes?