(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in
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(PJAD) wrote in message
om... . - I totally
respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.

yeah, I can see that.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.

What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I
am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and
less drastic approaches.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was
at a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.

It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really.
The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by
basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other
unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery.

At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the
depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do
understand the dynamics involved.

But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with
several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months --
without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial.
2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely.

I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you,
since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal,
really.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid
obesity. My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me
was the answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional
methods of controlling my weight.

I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do
care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to
other people.

And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years.
I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and
rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST
is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures.

Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits,
has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most
people, especially men in their 20's.

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.

My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and
mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and
smaller meals to keep my stomach happy).

I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed
him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really
isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right.


Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems
like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but
atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could
tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which
messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is
nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see
yourself being able to do it without those aids.