February 8th, 2007, 09:52 AM
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Luke 6:21
friend Mu wrote:
Caleb, Mu here.
Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?
Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.
Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control,
so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.
Person Spake:
Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the
assistance of exercise.
Mu: I never said that exercise wasn't a valued assist. Considering I
spent 7 years training athletes for asspennies, I would suggest that you
are way out of Truth with your forcibly false interp of my comment.
Imagine that.
The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.
The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..
I does so very few that the numbers are not relative at all. 95% of
people fail on their diets. Take whatever % of those and add in
exercise. They stop, they fail to continue to exercise. there is an
entire industry that is built on the motel room concept. Check in, check
out. Ask LA Fitness or Gold's Gym, as I have, to give you their rollover
data.
Or, take my own gyms. Even athletes crap out on training and exercise
over time.
Sure, the supremely committed, wealthy, no job, have oodles of spare
time, they can do well in an exercise environment. The rest of us, not a
chance if you believe you have to exercise to lose and control weight.
On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.
Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),
Undeniably so, Andrew.
Hey, that's pretty cool...
On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
The truth is cool.
I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy".
On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the
more capable they physically become.
When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match
with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough.
In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not
occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster
because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good."
The psychology of this is amazing, it revolves around the realistic view
of what is truly discomforting and what is life endangering and what is
truly nothing more than an inconvenience.
The truth is amazing.
May you and I continue to be hungry.
Truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
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