On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT), "
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I disagree. Butter was tied to the saturated fat scare. But many
scientists knew that there was no credible data to support it. It was
purely a political decision (we can thank Eisenhower and McGovern for
that one), plain and simple.

But as Doug and I pointed out, the companies are just
responding to what the mainstream opinion was which
created demand for a product.

No, you have it backwards. It was PUSHED on the public for purely
political reasons.

Recent example: corn and ethanol subsidies. Much of the world is
desperately in need of food, and here we are BURNING ours, while
pushing prices higher!

The public was told and accepted that
margarine was a safe substitute for butter, which was bad.

But the scientists KNEW it was bad! They protested vigorously (there
are videos of it all over the net), but the politicians still won the
day. Government is the enemy. Big Food are their cronies.

Do you think New Yorkers are clamoring for restrictions on salt, drink
and meal size, etc? Or do you think that Nanny Bloomberg is just an
ignorant fascist douchebag, like I do?

Companies in turn made margarine products in response
to that demand and people bought it. You can't rewrite
history, we were there and say it.

Pointing out that it was PUSHED on a mostly gullible population is not
rewriting history. It's simply telling the truth.

Being a little bit low-carb, in my mind, is to look for loopholes
(have your cake and eat it too). *Eventually those loopholes add up,
and you're not really eating low-carb anymore.

Not all people respond the same way. Not all people
need a very low carb diet to benefit. Not all people
are overweight to begin with. I think it's perfectly
fine if people want to do what I would call a reduced
carb diet, where they avoid a significant amount of
refined carbs. If it works for them, fine. Your position is extreme.

This is not a matter of whether people should be forced to do what
they have no interest in doing (I'm against that!). It's all about
doing things scientifically, and pointing out ways to do it and get
the best possible results.

If you're happy being a chubby little man, who has no idea what his
actual health is (because you apparently don't want to know), by all
means, keep doing what you're doing.

I want you to. And Darwin would want you to.

Wheat (even small
amounts) stimulates appetite, and who wants that?

If you have some studies that show that wheat as
opposed to other similar foods has that effect, I'm
sure we'd all like to see them.

Read the book.

Bon appétit!

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman