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Old August 9th, 2011, 07:29 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Billy[_4_]
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In article ,
Psycho-Deli wrote:

On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?

Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)


I second outsider. He has reasoned arguments that involve both science and
logic, you have nothing but rhetoric.


"out" said (I shall paraphase) that we were killing people because we
had outlawed DDT. We didn't, but it's use has been limited in order to
keep it useful by denying mosquitos the chance to become resistant to it.

I gave the citation of
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia

You can go to the site right now, and see if you can refute the article.

Perhaps, I muddied the water some by writing that "Exposure to the
bubonic plague (or previously to small pox) seems to have imbued some
with resistance to HIV." I should have written "selected for resistance
to disease, which includes HIV".

This was in response to "out"'s cavalierly stating, "Ans (sic) since the
mosquito develops a resistance to the effects of DT, for example, so
will the penguins, and other lifeforms, over time." This is plausible,
but totally inhumane.

In any event it is a side issue, to the side issue that "out" injected
into the post. The point that I was trying to make was that Carson and
the environmental movement were‹and continue to be‹criticized by some
conservatives and libertarians as well as chemical industry trade
groups, who argue that restrictions placed on pesticides, specifically
DDT, have caused tens of millions of needless deaths and hampered
agriculture (and, implicitly, that Carson bears responsibility for
inciting such restrictions). This criticism is at its base corporate
propaganda. The reason that DDT is restricted is because of its effect
on the environment, including humans. To maintain the effectiveness of
DDT, and to fight mosquitos, Integrated Pest Management has been used.
In some case, like Central America, mosquito populations can be
controlled without DDT. In other cases, like Africa, DDT is a weapon in
the arsenal of health workers.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
Mexico, the rest of Central America and parts of Africa have combated
malaria without DDT by using alternative methods, such as controlling
stagnant ponds where mosquitoes breed and using bed nets treated with
pyrethroid insecticides. But such efforts have been less successful in
other places, particularly South Africa.

"We have a whole host of mosquito species and more than one parasite.
The biology of the vectors is different and there is therefore no
one-method-fits-all strategy, as is the case in Central America,"
Bouwman said.

The panel convened in March, 2008, at Alma College in Michigan, near a
Superfund site where DDT was produced at a chemical plant. Their goal
was "to address the current and legacy implications of DDT production
and use," according to their report.

Acknowledging that some areas remain dependent on DDT, they recommended
monitoring of the spraying to ensure that usage guidelines are followed
and improved application techniques.

"It is definitely not a matter of letting people die from malaria," de
Jager said.
---

That is my response to "out" and his "conspiracy" model of DDT use.

Look it up.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_...nvironmentalis
m_and_DDT_restrictions

The only citation that "out" gave was
http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-S.../0143113453/re
f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312810518&sr=8-1
a book on chaos theory!

I asked for what the book says on the subject (HIV/bubonic plague), and
the relevant page numbers, which "out was unwilling, or unable to
provide. It appears that the was sending me on a "snipe-hunt" so that he
wouldn't have to defend his ignorant remarks.

"out", bite me.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis