On Sep 25, 7:11*pm, Dogman wrote:

I only used a convenient table he has that shows the
glycemic load of various foods.

So what?

I used GI.

Pick your poison.

I believe GL is more accepted today as a meaure of the
real BG impact. And again you chose to edit out the real
issue which is that bread is not all that much different
that a snickers or a coke, despite your attempts to make
it so:


Wonder Bread 30g GL 10
Snickers 60g GL 15 to 23
Coke 250ml GL 16


Take two slices of bread if you like and it's still in the
range of that Snickers or Coke, not significantly worse.




Yes, but you find anything "suspect" that doesn't comport with your
preconceived notions!

You're the AIDS denialist that spins everything in a desperate attempt
to deny what everyone knows, which is that HIV is the cause of AIDS.
And I'm supposed to be the one with preconceived notions?




Good message.
Bread is bad, but snickers bars and cokes are better.

If that's what you think the message is, you're beyond stupid, you're
somewhere between moron and imbecile.


I think the "Wheat Belly" message is just to sell books to make a
profit. The fact that you can't provide a link to studies that
show that wheat is uniquely bad as a refined carb as compared
to other similar carbs, eg corn, rice, etc. tends to support that.
I say that if people substitute corn, rice, potato chips, etc for
wheat, they will likely have similar weight problems, blood sugar
problems, visceral fat etc. I say similar refined carbs are just
about as bad as wheat, unless you happen to be one of the
minority of people who have problems with gluten. If you
have studies that say otherwise, I'm sure we'd all like to see
them.





The simple truth is that almost all refined carbs have a significant
impact
on BG levels, be that wheat, snickers, coke, rice, etc.

Exactly! *They're virtually the same. But they affect different people
differently. And you have no way to determine how it might be
affecting YOU unless you TEST.

Back to the nonsense that everyone has to test BG
response with everything they eat. Good grief. I thought
this was a LC support group, not a group to drive people
away from LC.





I think to
be focusing on one versus the others is more about selling books.

No, it's about informing people of the DANGERS associated with wheat!

Yes and when you have the studies to back up that wheat is
significantly more dangerous than corn, rice, potato chips, soda,
sugar, etc, let us know.





The vast majority of people think wheat is actually good for them!
That it's healthy, etc. *Well, it's NOT! *And the poor dumb schmucks
like yourself, who listen to the ADA push wheat on people who already
have diabetes(!) and say nothing about it are part of the ****ing
problem!

Asshole.


Which of course is a lie. It was clear in another recent
thread where this was discussed that I think the ADA is
wrong. Remember? It was the thread where you were
blaming Sam's Club because they had some dietary
recommendations that were similar. As if Sam's Club
originated the advice. It's not Sams', and I think it was
Susan that pointed out it was similar to ADA. That
apparently was a surprise to you, but not to me.









You do all the testing on yourself that you want.

I do!

I don't recall
a single non-diabetic here in the group doing BG testing.

And that's a problem!

Only according to you. Let's see, who should I believe?
Dr. Atkins or the guy who says HIV is harmless?




Why anyone who purports to be on a low-carb diet
would ever eat a Snickers candy bar, drink a can of Coke, or eat two
slices of bread, escapes me.

Maybe because once in a while they feel like it
and they aren't an extremist.

But maybe they should be more extreme and less...wishy-washy?

Why, just because you say so?

No, because many wise scientists and doctors say so. Common sense says
so.

Who exacty are these wise scientists and doctors who say
eating a dessert with sugar or a snickers bar once in a while
for most of us doing LC is going to result in something bad?
I've seen lots of people here over the years doing exactly that.
It works for them. It works for me. If it brings on cravings for
some and leads them to binge, then they shouldn't do it.
Of course we know the kinds of folks you think are wise
scientists. You cherish completely discredited AIDS denialists
who are not even qualified in virology, who never treated an
AIDS patient, etc.






See: preventive medicine

Who put you in charge?

I'm not in charge of anything. But you don't get to tell me what I can
and cannot say here, you little prick! Got that?

I would never want to stop you from saying things here. Look
where it's gotten you. Now for example everyone knows that you're an
AIDS
denialist and that you claim that no virus can cause cancer. I want
you to expand your list of ignorance for all to see.