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**Who_me?** · August 13th, 2011, 02:43 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb

On 13/08/11 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:00 pm, wrote:
On 12/08/11 12:44 AM, wrote:

On Aug 11, 4:43 am, wrote:
On 11/08/11 1:01 AM, Billy wrote:

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On 10/08/11 2:02 PM, swaggy wrote:

Bad diets may be effective for weight loss in the short term because you
will lose some extra fluid as well as some fat. However, the weight loss
is usually temporary because you re going to return to your old eating
habits when you go off the diet. In a few weeks, your weight will be
right back where it was before the diet.

There are no such things as bad diets, there are only bad dieters. All
diets that reduce calories work, though some are less healthy than others,
but they work.

Wrong.

Right.

Anything that you do that reduces your total calorie count, be it simply
reducing calories or increasing calories burned, will reduce weight.

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science
of Diet and Health (Vintage)
by Gary Taubes

Not interested, as everyone has their version of what is good or bad.

I like a low carb (not ludicrously unhealthy like Atkins) diet, but that
does not mean that others have to agree with me.

What exactly is supposed to be ludicrously unhealthy about the Atkins
diet? You say you eat high fat, so clearly that isn't what you've
got your shorts in a knot about.

It goes to ludicrous extremes, Ketosis is not necessary. On Atkins you lose
energy, both strength and endurance. Ask around any gym for the opinions of
those who have tried it. You can eat low carb without those side effects.

I don't have to ask around. I know I feel fine and have lots of
energy doing Atkins. In fact, I feel better than I do when eating
a typical diet high in carbs which is what makes me feel
tired and sluggish. Some people may be able to do LC and
have success without starting out
at 20g a day. But many others will not and Atkins has been
proven to work for many people. It's worked for me and
many others here over the years.

My shorts are not knotted, I am simply a realist.

Did you ever even do Atkins or just rely on heresay?

I tried Atkins for several months - I lost strength, endurance and muscle
mass from the start, as soon as ketosis started, but I persevered. I was
constantly tired during workouts and so have most other people reported who
in my experience have tried Atkins and are involved in sports or are gym
regulars. There have been many similar reports here over the years and even
Atkins himself admitted that his diet was not ideal for someone who had a
career, sport or hobby that imposed a high regular demand for energy.

Why do you think that athletes "carb up" before competition?

I'd venture to say that most people claiming to do
Atkins are not actually following the plan. So, I
would not put much credence in casual comments
from people claiming to do Atkins without finding
out exactly what they are actually doing.

Nothing casual about my comments, I have tried Atkins, exactly as Atkins
taught and it was not a good diet. I went from Atkins to increased carbs,
basically cutting all processed carbs but not cutting back on carbs from
fresh food, even high carb fruit and vegetables. That worked - I have
energy and I maintain a very low body fat percentage.

I use an oximeter and I have tested the blood oxygen levels of people in
ketosis and they drop back four or five percent over those who have the
minimum necessary amount of carbohydrate in their diet. The first thing
that happens when you become fatigued when working out is your blood oxygen
level drops - insufficient oxygen to meet muscle demand. People in Ketosis
start exercise the way fit people finish exercise.

I also eat high fat - it
is nonsense that consumed fat (calorie count aside) puts on more body fat
than any other form of calorific intake. I am the same weight as when I was
a very fit surfer in my late teens. I wear the same size clothes and can
still run a marathon in very close to the same time - and I am now in my
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You think just maybe genetics plays a role in that?

No, else my parents and siblings would not be fat - and they are FAT.

You have neither the exact genes of either parent, nor of
your siblings. For genes to play a role in obesity, the fact
that you are not obese while apparently everyone else in
your immediate family is, proves nothing. It's widely accepted
that genes do play a significant role in obesity.

Ah, I see, you are one of those people who twists and turns in discussion.
You suggested that genes had something to with my fitness - by implication
genetic traits. No, even identical twins do not have "exactly" the same
genes, but traits within families are normal. I can easily gain weight if I
allow myself to be indulgent, there is no magical gene in my makeup that
stops me from gaining weight. If I am preparing for a marathon I can gain
ten pounds in a very short time as I increase carbs in preparation. I lose
it very quickly, a lot during the run, the rest with a week or so afterward.

And again, it's incorrect for you to assume that because
something works or doesn't work for you, that means
everyone else has the same metabolism and their
body functions exactly the same.

I will assume that if the majority of people do exactly as I do, eat what I
eat, and exercise as I exercise they will end up at a fitness level close
to mine. I have done this several times, with various friends and with
girls with whom I have had a relationship. I have also experienced many,
many years of your sort of "it aint't my fault, it is my genes etc." from
overweight people when explaining their failure to be fit and healthy.

Metabolism is not fixed, it is the body's response to the demands made on
it and the amount an type of food available to it. With very few exceptions
if you have a slow metabolism it is because you are physically lazy.

I put weight on briefly in the eighties when I was in a relationship with a
girl who loved high carb foods and fanatically avoided all fats. The weight
came on quickly, and when I realised what had caused it and went back to
the high protein, high fat diet that I had previously favoured I lost it
just as quickly. I developed a diet that has kept me fit for decades, and
recently I have seen that it is very similar to the much vaunted Dr Dukan's
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And of course there are other "realists" who would just as quickly
slam what you're doing too for so called "common sense" reasons
just like you're doing with Atkins.

Not many seem to slam things that actually work without side effects. Look
at the current world wide response to the Dukan diet. Even if they do it is
little skin off my nose. I work in an area where I have input into diet and
training for a small number of people - they are the only ones who concern
me. They do not slam their new lifestyle.

Some overweight people will segue from diet to diet always looking for a
magic bullet. They will remain fat. The only magic bullet is willpower and
consistency.