On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:54:32 -0700 (PDT), "
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Continuing to lie may not make it "true," but as Hitler once said: the
use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone
"could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." And asGoebbels wrote: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the

truth."

Yes, those are your tactics exactly. Claiming for example
that lack of sleep causes AIDS.

But a lack of sleep *can* contribute to a compromised immune system!

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders...-lack-of-sleep

Really, have you never even taken one biology class?

And when combined with other things that compromise the immune system
(abusing drugs, drinking heavily, burning th e candle at both ends,
etc.), you're just asking for trouble. BIG trouble!

The HIV virus apparently does invade those T cells, but the cells
somehow block virus replication.It is the byproducts of that aborted
infection that trigger an immune response that is ultimately
responsible for killing those cells"

That's known in scientific circles as psychobabble. *Akin to your
"mysterious effect" *regarding bariatric surgery, etc.

Gobbledygook!

Of course just like all denialists you reject all sound
AIDS/HIV research by world class AIDS researchers
because it exposes your lies like "lack of sleep
causes AIDS".

When you see terms like "somehow blocks virus replication," you should
run like hell. It means the person doesn't know what he's talking
about.

Again, retroviruses depend on keeping the cell alive for their own
survival. To kill the cell is to commit suicide.

Moron.

Truth is, HIV is not a killer virus.

Truth is you're a liar.

Truth is you're a lying asshole, with the IQ of a fence post.

Who should we believe,
Robert Gallo and Montagnier, or you?

That's like saying, who should we believe, all the other scientists,
or Galileo?

I'm going with Galileo.

See, here is the essential difference.
Galileo had PROOF for what he was claiming.

No more than Duesberg, et al.

Besides, Gallo has been convicted twice of scientific misconduct and
fraud, and Montagnier says that HIV, by itself, can't cause AIDS.

The above is yet another lie. Gallo was never convicted of
anything, nor was he even charged.

I didn't mean criminally.

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/jcgallocase.htm

Now as to Montagnier, lets look at the clearest thing in
evidence as to his position on what the cause of AIDS
is.

His own words aren't good enough for you, right?

That figures.

So, if you want to hang your hat on those two guys...

You were hanging yours on Montagnier,

I wasn't hanging any hats; I was simply repeating his own words.

because those partners are long-term drug abusers, too, etc.

Oh, really? *So now AIDS can be acquired not by
abusing drugs yourself, but simply by being gay and
having a partner who is a drug abuser?

Yes. Through anal sex, the exchange of bodily fluids (including
blood), etc.

Well, if it's not HIV that's causing AIDS, that's one
hell of an interesting concept. Tell us more?

I can keep teliing you, but it wouldn't do any good, because you're
too dumb to understand what *antibodies* are.

With antibodies to HIV come AIDS drugs. With AIDS drugs comes AIDS,
and then death.

And with the exchange of bodily fluids, comes antibodies. Antibodies
to HIV, for example.

Now take some time, have a glass of wine, turn the TV off, and see if
you can figure out how this happens.

But it's not AIDS that is acquired, it's ANTIBODIES to HIV. Then AIDS,
Inc. kills them both with AIDS drugs. More slowly, these days, but
still ever so surely.

Sure, how dumb would one have to be to believe that?

Actually, only "dumb" enough to observe and understand what's
happening right before your own eyes.

We had the AIDS patients in the first few years dying one
after the other, despite the fact that THERE WERE NO AIDS
drugs.

Correct. But they were all drug-abusing gay men, who had been burning
the candle at both ends for years. They had destroyed their immune
systems with drugs and lifestyle, No AIDS drugs were needed.

That's why AIDS was originally called GRID. Gay-Related Immune
Deficiency.

We have your denialist friends today refusing to
take any AIDS drugs and they are mostly dying at 30.

No, they are mostly living and thriving.

The ones who are dying are the ones who take AIDS drugs.

We have people in third world countries who have no
access to AIDS drugs dying.

Yes, the same people who have no access to nutritional food, clean
water, practice poor hygiene, etc. And they die from the very same
diseases they've always died from, malaria, TB, wasting, slim disease,
etc.

But they call it "AIDS" today, because that's where the $$$ is.

See: gay liberation, Stonewall riots, etc.,

See world encyclopedia and realize that AIDS and
HIV exist on every continent, in every country.

What? *We're the only country that has homosexuals? The only country
that abuses drugs?

Anyone except a bigot knows that tens of millions of
people of various backgrounds have died from AIDS.

Yes, "AIDS by prescripion," from taking AIDS drugs.

And only a bigot would try to somehow link it to gay
liberation.

Again, that's where it all started in THIS COUNTRY.

Africa is a different situation altogether. And I've previously
explained why.

Again this is what is offensive. *The rest of us
see a woman infected with HIV by a partner that
she didn't know had HIV. * It's tragic, but we know how
it happens.

Yes, it is tragic, because now they are going to start giving her AIDS
drugs, which will KILL her. And it's all unnecessary!

You denialists have to call her
a liar or secret drug addict or prostitute.

What? *People who test positive for HIV don't lie? *Just the rest of
us can be liars, right? Is that yet another "mysterious" effect of
HIV? *It makes you tell the truth?

Some of them might, sure.

How many does it take?

Sheesh.

Moron.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman