On Aug 31, 3:35*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger





wrote:
Dogman wrote:

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/08/heart-poison/

"Those nice people who make gluten-free foods with junk carbohydrate
ingredients don’t know that their products cause coronary disease and
heart attacks, cataracts, arthritis, hypertension, diabetes,
inflammation, and growth of visceral fat. Note that the small LDL
particles triggered by gluten-free carbohydrates, as in Claire’s
example, persist for 10 days after one indulgence. In other words, if
Claire only has a gluten-free slice of bread or a bagel every 10 days,
she has small LDL particles and risk for heart disease 7 days a week,
30 days a month, 12 months a year.

"So, among the several deleterious effects of gluten-free junk
carbohydrates is triggering of small LDL particles, the most common
cause for coronary disease and heart attack in North America today.
Gluten-free foods made with cornstarch, rice starch, tapioca starch,
and potato starch are poisons to your heart."

So the claim is that what happened with margarine will happen with
gluten free foods? *Time will tell.

I'm not sure any claim is being made, Doug, other than in his own
practice (and in various other studies) small LDL particles are a
significant risk factor for CHD. More studies would need to be done to
confirm any link between eating "gluten-free foods" and having small
LDL particles.


Of course claims are being made. And there are plenty of people
who question "WheatBelly"'s grounding in science, his use of
studies, etc. And some of them are people with Celiac disease
who say he's misrepresenting studies, ignoring what doesn't
agree with what he claims, etc.





Given the relative health of those
who use rice or potatoes as a base of a diet that never leads them to
obesity (same as using wheat before the invention of refining mills),
it's s stretch to say they are bad in small quantities except to people
who've already become fat.

Define "relative health."

I think Doug is talking about the many people in Asian
countries who eat lots of rice and/or noodles and who
are doing fine. It's kind of like the French paradox. You
can't just look at what agrees with your views and ignore
the rest.

That evidence is a lot more compelling to me than WheatBelly's
claims that wheat is the root of all evil. I see people buying into
his claims because they cut out wheat and they are losing
weight, or feel better. But they have, in most cases, also cut
out a lot of other refined carbs, ie they are doing a reduced
carb die. In fact, that appears to be
exactly what WheatBelly is advocating in the above
excerpt. It's not just wheat, it's refined carbs.

So, which is it? Wheat or just too many refined carbs? My personal
view is it's more likely the latter. But even then, it's not that
simple.
Some people can do fine on higher carb diets.





Having a high number of small LDL particles, according to recent
studies, is a strong risk factor for CHD. I would assume that applies
to many people who are not fat.

And like so many studies, it would not surprise me to find that
in another few years there will be another study that suggests
something else.