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Old September 19th, 2004, 01:09 AM
Steve Harris [email protected]
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MU wrote in message ...
On 17 Sep 2004 11:54:29 -0700, Steve Harris
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And Chung believes that prayers for intercession actually cause god to
do people good, which god wouldn't otherwise do. Which means Chung,
and everybody else who prays for intercession, thinks that it's
necessary or helpful to be god's executive secretary, drawing problems
to god's attention. How's that for egoism?


Unmatched by your own, Steve, especially when you lump all intercessory
prayer as both compelling and informative. But then, being a non Christian
and all, knowing about God has become a (obsessive) specialty of yours.

Let's see if I have this right. You know intimately about a God yu impugn
and deny even exists every chance you get.

lol

These people who go on and on about their humility, are actually some
of the most narcissitic weenies you'll ever run across. They are
always to be found verbally trying to help god fix up the universe,


Always? Every single time?

which god (apparently imperfectly) designed with all kinds of flaws
which need human help to locate.


Your words, incorrect as they are.

All this is pretty hilarious. Of course believers have no sense of
humor, so they don't really appreciate it.


Yes, Steve, all believers always do all the things all the time as you
command.

That was a funny, Steve, in case you missed it.

Pray for me, Chung. God doesn't read sci.med, so I need it bad....


You need it bad regardless of what God does or doesn't read.


MU wrote in message ...
On 17 Sep 2004 11:54:29 -0700, Steve Harris

wrote:

COMMENT:

And Chung believes that prayers for intercession actually cause god to
do people good, which god wouldn't otherwise do. Which means Chung,
and everybody else who prays for intercession, thinks that it's
necessary or helpful to be god's executive secretary, drawing problems
to god's attention. How's that for egoism?


Unmatched by your own, Steve, especially when you lump all intercessory
prayer as both compelling and informative.


COMMENT:

And just exactly where did I do that? The idea of compelling never
entered into this. As for informative, did you miss that word "or"?
FYI, I'm using "helpful" in the broadest sense, to mean helpful to god
or helpful in getting the problem solved. If the believer prays for
god to do something nice for somebody that god wouldn't otherwise do,
and god does it, there's a nice philosophical problem. But if prayer
never influences god to do something he wouldn't have done anyway even
without the prayer, then what's the point of praying for intercession?
Besides, most Christians believe prayer for intercession by god works,
sometimes. That's what they say they believe, anyway.


But then, being a non Christian
and all, knowing about God has become a (obsessive) specialty of yours.


COMMENT:

Well, heck, if I do it and you don't like it, it must be an
"obsession" of mine, eh? I think you're misusing the language. I don't
think you'd know an obsession if it bit you on the ass. Want to google
USENET and look at the fraction of MY total postings on the subject of
Christianity or religion, vs., say, your own? I probably run less
than 1000 to 1. How come it's my obsession and not yours?

Let's see if I have this right. You know intimately about a God yu impugn
and deny even exists every chance you get.



COMMENT
No, you don't have it right. It's believers who claim to know god
intimately, and (strange to tell) they still can't agree on much about
him. I'm just subjecting what they say, to logical analysis. The way
you would with the testimony of any group of people who'd claimed to
observe and be intimately familiar with something. Saucer abductees,
for example. Say that probe went WHERE?? No, I'm not intimately
familiar with that Probulator process myself, though I did see
something like it on Futurama. Does that mean I can't be skeptical?

lol


Ah, you laugh at my skeptical laughter. That's nice. Now, back to your
probe stories….



These people who go on and on about their humility, are actually some
of the most narcissitic weenies you'll ever run across. They are
always to be found verbally trying to help god fix up the universe,


Always? Every single time?



No. "Always" here being used in the sense of seemingly without
interruption, definition #4. One of those non-literal usages of the
word, you know. You have to be a native speaker to get it.


which god (apparently imperfectly) designed with all kinds of flaws
which need human help to locate.


Your words, incorrect as they are.


COMMENT:
You're always free to fix up my errors, instead of just claiming they
exist. Does asking god to do good to anybody EVER result in ANY good
works by god that wouldn't have been done by god, if you hadn't
prayed? Yes or no? I don't think there's an excluded middle ground.
Either it never does, or at least it sometimes does.

All this is pretty hilarious. Of course believers have no sense of
humor, so they don't really appreciate it.


Yes, Steve, all believers always do all the things all the time as you
command.


COMMENT:
Yes, and if I said drunk drivers were dangerous you'd want to know if
I thought every single drunk driver was always dangers every second.
Which is beside the point. Most generalizations that are true in
aggregate, aren't uniformly true. So what?

That was a funny, Steve, in case you missed it.


COMMENT:
If you think that was funny, you're only adding evidence to my case.


Pray for me, Chung. God doesn't read sci.med, so I need it bad....


You need it bad regardless of what God does or doesn't read.


COMMENT
I need prayer bad? For what purpose? You think it will influence god
to do something he wouldn't otherwise do? Same old question. Let's see
you dodge it again.

SBH