On Aug 3, 2:33*pm, James Warren wrote:
On 8/3/2012 1:48 PM, Dogman wrote:





On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

In probably 99.999% of AIDS cases, the actual virus is never even
looked for, much less found. Only the *antibodies* are found!

Yes indeed. *Just like in 99.999% of hepatitis cases the
actual virus is never looked for.

Nor is it ever found. Very similar to HIV, HCV is probably a
"passenger" virus, that rears it's ugly head only after a certain
amount of damage has been done to the liver, from abusing drugs,
alcohol, etc.

http://www.healtoronto.com/hepc.html

As usual, more crap from a kook AIDS denialist website.

Yeah, more "crap" from the very people most affected by the disease.

As if they are a credible source on hepatitis.
And who said it had to be hep C?

I did.

As for looking for the actual virus, in the case of AIDS,
we do have tests that measure the actual amount of
virus in the patients body.

No, we do not. But most importantly, they're extremely rarely used
anyway, relying instead on antibody tests and clinical observations.

That's another lie. *The viral load is being measured on
most, if not all the patients on current AIDS drug therapy.

The viral load test is pure fantasy, so says the inventor of PCR
himself. Plus:

"Thus the data point in the same direction as the Drug-AIDS
hypothesis, and are compatible with this hypothesis and with the
hypothesis that HIV itself is not a cause of diseases and does not
affect T-cell longevity, namely "reduced survival (half life)".
Figures in support of the results are shown in a table p. 86. However,
overall this table is subject to many questions as to the meaning of
terms used and possible statistical and scientific bias. For instance,
the data concern the three groups: Normal controls", "HIV+(viremic)",
and "HAART (12 weeks)". The "normal controls" are "healthy". The
"viremic" is supposed to refer to "viral load", but no HIV virus is
ever directly measured in patients. What is measured is something
which is then interpreted as a virus which engages somehow in a deadly
battle with the immune system. In any case, the use made of the
HIV+(viremic) group in the table as far as one can tell is based on
the same circularity as the CDC definition of AIDS, with its
assumption of HIV pathogenesis and causality, which prevents an
unbiased evaluation whether it is HIV or another factor (e.g. drugs)
which cause sickness."

http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/case2.html

Got that? "no HIV virus is ever directly measured in patients"

Not then, not now, and not ever. Because HIV (the actual virus) can
almost never be found in HIV+ patients. Why? *Because it's already
been neutralized by the immune system.

You have perhaps thousands of various kinds of antibodies in your
body, but you're not sick, are you? Why do you think that is?

The vast majority of smokers never get lung cancer. Thus, some people
who live this lifestyle can survive longer than others can. But if
they live it long enough, burning the candle at both ends, etc., they
will eventually destroy their immune systems -- and die. *Either from
their lifestyle, lack of nutrition, or from being given AIDS drugs.

Which has nothing whatever to do with the fact that
people in any of these groups, absent HIV infection,
never get AIDS.

Millions of people who are HIV negative get the very same diseases
that HIV positive people get.

The biggest difference between these two groups is: the HIV negative
people aren't given AIDS drugs. Then they die.

You abuse your immune system at your own risk.

We're still waiting for that study that shows it's possible
to produce what characterizes AIDS by "abusing your
immune system".

A study really isn't needed (you're starting to sound like James
Warren), just some common sense, and a little deductive reasoning.

A plausibility argument needs to be confirmed by experiment. The HRT
case illustrates this well.


Not in Doggie's world. He just shoots from the hip,
gets it wrong, and then proceeds to dig his hole
ever deeper. Along the way he eschews world class
scientists, respected by their peers and instead
turns to fringe ones that write of speaking with
glowing alien raccoons.... Consequently

Doggie believes that:

AIDS isn't caused by HIV
HIV is harmless
AIDS is caused by lack of sleep
No virus can cause cancer
HPV isnt' a cause of cervical cancer.

Anything you want to add to your list of
ignorance today Doggie?