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Old January 24th, 2004, 01:59 PM
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Default Uncovering the Atkins diet secret

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:18:36 GMT, posted:

"Robin Smith" writes:
1) Proves the 1st law of thermodynamics still applies. Theres no
magic to weight loss its calorie deficit every time...


Moosh wrote:
So please tell us of any metabolic lab study that shows that a
hypercaloric diet can ever result in fat storage loss.


I'm curious--when was ASDLC invaded by this crowd? I've been reading
here on-and-off for four years or more, and have never encountered
this before.


ASDLC? OK, I looked above I'm posting on smn.

In the past, it was well recognized that calories are not
irrelevant--that eating 5,000 cal/day will not result in weight
loss


It will if you burn 5,001 cal/day.

--but it was also recognized, as most of us experienced, that the
same calorie budget had different weight-loss effects depending upon
its composition. I've gained on 2200 cal/day with 50% or more of
calories from CHO, and I've lost on 2200 cal/day with ~5% of calories
from CHO. Others have had similar experiences.


So can you point us to any metabolic lab studies that confirm your
suspicions?

Lately, it appears that the majority here are convinced that calorie
deficit is the be-all, end-all of weight loss--and that the only
function of reduced CHO is to reduce apetite.


Apetite is voluntary. If you absorb more calories than you expend, you
gain weight. Never been faulted, unless you have some evidence I've
not yet seen.

Moosh also wrote:
Try protein, glucose in the blood, and stomach distension. Fat can
help maintain stomach distension a bit longer. Its effect is only
secondary


I thought we'd put the idea that a stomach full of sawdust can produce
satiety.


Huh? Doesn't really matter what it is full of (non-toxic, of course),
and that you have sufficient glucose and amino acids in the
bloodstream

Apparently that idiot Ornish is still making converts. (Hint:
many people who lack adequate nutrition adopt strategies to distend
the stomach in hopes of relieving their hunger, such as drinking as
much water as they can hold. It doesn't work.)


Well many aboriginal people actually eat things like clay, but there
you go. It won't completely make the pangs go away, but it certainly
helps, apparently.

I miss the old group. Where has it gone?


Which group are you talking about? The low cal? Haven't seen
crossposting before?

Moosh