On 28/09/2011 8:11 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

Dogman wrote:
Doug wrote:

Thus creditting the wrong thing just like I wrote.

I don't understand what that means.

Right. Getting cause and effect wrong by ignoring a ton of other
contributing causes.

Not if you do the experiments on yourself, as I described.

Remove wheat, feel better.

Well, isn't that reason enough?

If you also want to find out why you feel better, and how you can
prevent the potential for disease by doing it, read the book.

Credit the most recent mutations in the
wheat genome. Bzzt. Fail to take into account the carbs, the fact that
people have long been intolerant of wheat in specific and grains in
general.

Again...if you eliminate wheat, and then, say, replace the wheat carbs
with other carbs, it can't just be carbs in general, can it?

Before you reply, think about that one for a minute or two, okay?

[...]
Should we go low carb? Yes. Cauliflower beats any sweet or starchy
food. Should we limit grains in general and consider them no more
valuable than any other vegetable carb gram for carb gram? Yes.

But wheat is not just another carb. That's the point you keep talking
around. READ THE BOOK.

[...]
"Wheat Belly" is a stunt to make it sound like it's not Atkins. The
book could have been "French Fry Belly" and had much the same result.

You're wrong, Doug. Read the book. Plus, it's actually pretty silly of
you to argue against the book without having read it.

You can easily argue against a book without reading it, though your
argument might be more convincing if you can quote specific areas of
dispute. Anyone can argue against a the précis of a book without reading
the book itself. Look at how many argue against the Bible without
reading it.

That aside, without reading any books, a decade or two back, after
initially changing to a low carb diet (NOT ATKINS) just cutting empty
carbs (those that offer little other nutritional value) I have slowly
evolved into a wheat avoider. I discovered by accident that when what
few remaining wheat containing items in my diet were eliminated my
general health improved noticeably. The only things that openly were
wheat based remaining in my diet were unleavened flat-breads - thin
roll-ups. I ate small quantities of these for several years as a
convenient midday meal. Usually with chicken, prawns or other seafood
and salad. One day my store was out of them, but had pure Rye
flat-breads. I bought a bunch of them and after a few days felt better
than normal. Next time I shopped, wheat was back in stock so I bought
them. A few days later, my energy levels and mood dropped a little. The
next time I shopped, I remembered the Rye and tried them again. Bingo! I
have not gone back to any wheat based product since.

Rye doesn't seem all that different to wheat, but for me the difference
is unmistakeable.