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Old August 15th, 2011, 11:26 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Harold Groot
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Default Why Bad Diets Are Bad?

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:08:15 +1000, Who_me?
wrote:

On 15/08/11 4:20 PM, Harold Groot wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:27:46 +1000,
wrote:

Do you take gullibility pills? If that was the case, why don't all corpses
of people who die after hospitalisation gain weight over their initial weight?

The controversy started BEFORE he died, before he went into hospital after
a photo of him was circulated showing a huge weight gain. The Atkins group
claim that it was a Photoshopped image. Maybe it was, but his autopsy
photos weren't.


According to the official hospital records (released by his widow), he
weighed 195 when he was admitted to the hospital on 4/8/2003. At 6
feet tall, that may not be the absolute optimum but it's certainly a
quite reasonable weight.

According to the official death certificate, he weighed 258 at the
time of his death on 4/17/2003 (after having been in a coma for more
than a week). This is consistent with kidney failure and fluid
accumulation. You had IV fluids going in (with nutrition and
medicines to try to keep him alive) and no fluids coming out. Of
course a person gains weight when that happens. A fluid in a 2-liter
IV bag weighs a bit over 4 pounds. If he gets only 2 IV bags per day,
that's over 8 pounds/day. In a week that's over 56 pounds. Get the
picture?

Why don't all people who die after hospitalization gain huge amounts
of weight? Gee, do you think it might have something to do with the
fact that the great majority do NOT go through kidney failure and get
kept alive for a significant amount of time in that state?

You might want to consider how many gullibility pills YOU have been
swallowing.


People in hospital who have kidney failure are on dialysis, conscious or in
a coma. There would have been no massive fluid retention. Better swallow
some more pills, reality is sneaking up on you.


I'm quite familiar with Kidney failure and dialysis, thank you very
much. My mother is currently on dialysis, and I help her with it. But
there can be reasons why a person would not be put on it. If other
organs are already failing, for example, the person would probably not
be a candidate for dialysis (even the emergency sort performed with no
prior preparation). Dr. Atkins died of "multiple organ failure", so
it would seem reasonable likely that that was the case with him. But
not having the full case files, it's rather hard to prove anything.

You still haven't explained the official hospital record showing his
weight WHEN HE WAS ADMITTED to be 195. Do you think that that
official record is just part of some vast conspiracy?