On Apr 20, 10:36*am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Omelet wrote:

And yes, after years of playing around with low carbing, I can no longer
get into Ketosis at below 20 carb grams per day... hence experimenting
with the fat fast.

It's also for people who didn't get into ketosis during their first
Induction. *Not the same thing as falling out after being on ketosis for
a while and definitely does not apply to folks who were in ketosis in
the first several months of their low carbing. *The wrong tool for the
job.

Actually, i can't find where Atkins said that it's only for people who
didn't get into ketosis during their first induction, or even during
induction at all. He said it was
to be used by those that are so metabolically resistant to weight
loss that nothing else works to get them to lose weight and only
after ruling out everything else.

So, while I don't see that he explicitly stated that it's OK to use
to break a stall, I doubt he would have had a problem with someone
who met his criteria using it for that purpose. Let's say someone
has had a lot of difficulty losing weight on Atkins all along. A
couple months into Atkins, they have only lost a little weight and
are now stalled, meeting the Atkins definition of a stall.
Per Atkins advice, they have ruled out all possible factors, eg,
thyroid, medications, hidden carbs, etc. If they still cannot
lose weight, I don't think he would have any problem with
them doing his fat fast.



It's something we've discussed on and off group before. *Check out
"reversal diet" in the index of the 1993/1999 editions. *Dr A
encountered folks who'd stay well below their CCLL for over six months,
or who'd never found their CCLL but just stayed at 20, and fallen out of
ketosis at 20. *Some sort of long term metabolic adjustment that I call
"Eskimo mode" or "Inuit mode" of switching to a slower and more
efficient fat burning mode. *The mention of reversal diet discusses
one way to reset the metabolism after staying too low too long. *It's
probably the fastest way.

It's also not in his newest books, perhaps because he changed his
mind about it. I can see reversing and increasing carbs leading to
people having cravings return and in the end, possibly doing more
harm than good. If it worked so well, you'd think it would have
made it to his later editions, as he kept improving the methods.