On Aug 3, 6:21*pm, Dogman wrote:

Of course, as usual, if one reads the actual article instead
of relying on your hysteria, the research doesn't say what
you or even the authors say it does. *What the researchers
concluded was this:

"The implication, the scientists concluded, is that active,
traditional lifestyles may not protect against obesity if diets
change to promote increased caloric consumption. That is, even active
people will pack on pounds if they eat like most of us in the West."

That's exactly what I've been saying. *You just cant read for
comprehension.

You must have been saying it somewhere else,
because you sure haven't been saying it here.




Then we have this:
"People stick with low-calorie diets more readily than they continue
with exercise to drop pounds."

Maybe true, but diet hasn't proven successful in stopping the obesity
epidemic either.

Have I said it has? *Really, you're a piece of work.

No, but you just continue to say personal responsibility
works. Obviously it hasn't worked in helping stop the
obesity epidemic. That is the point I made. That is the
point Doug made. Capiche?

There are logical reasons for this, which I explained.
I think Doug explained it too. But of course you just
reject it.





And following Doggie's logic, both are just an
issue of "personal responsibility" so it's irrelevant how easy or
hard it is to follow.

More straw men! I didn't say degree if difficulty is irrelevant, I
said the issue is personal responsibility. *Period.

Are you as sure about that as you are that HIV
doesn't cause AIDS?





And this:

"One of the few studies ever to have scrupulously monitored exercise,
food intake and metabolic rates found that volunteers basal metabolic
rates dropped as they lost weight, even though they exercised every
day. As a result, although they were burning up to 500 calories during
an exercise session, their total daily caloric burn was lower than it
would have been had their metabolism remained unchanged, and they lost
less weight than had been expected."

Two things worth noting there. *Number one is that while excercising
they were burning 500 calories. *The other is the statement that this
study is one of the few studies like this ever done.

And now you're *complaining* about studies?!

Not complaining. Just pointing out that they say only
a few studies on the subject have even been done.
So, I don't pretend to know all the answers. You on
the other hand claim you do, no studies required.





Make up your freakin' mind.

So,
sounds like the answer is we don't know exactly what is going on.

Of course we do! The study showed that many people gain weight when
they exercise.

The report on the study that you provided the link to
does not say the study showed that at all. But at
least for once you have a link to something. Now if
you could just learn to read what is there instead of
making it up.....





And then we end with this gem:

" She is perhaps her own best advertisement. In the past few years,
she s shed 70 pounds and, using her formulas for how many calories
she s actually burning each day thanks to a daily walk, has regained
none of it."

But it says ZERO about her diet! Plus, she didn't lose the weight
through exercise. It was through diet (counting calories is a form of
diet).

We're not taking about her diet. We're talking about the
fact that she includes walking excercise as part of her
weight loss program. Ergo, the article concludes with
endorsing excercise as part of a weight loss and
maintenance program. Exactly the opposite of what
you claim. And it would be pretty rare for an article
to conclude with talking about exercise if all it did
was make you gain weight, eh?




Only a moron could come to that conclusion, which is why it's a waste
of time discussing anything with you.

Yes, it's a waste of time for you to discuss anything with
anyone with even reasonable intelligence. Because you can't
fool them with your nonsense and they demolish your crap
again and again. Unable to provide any links to science
that supports your positions, you turn to name calling.
That leaves you in a tiny group of losers. Loser who
believe:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS
HIV is harmless
No virus can cause cancer
HPV is not a cause of cervical cancer.

The list of ignorance grows daily. Now go ahead, compare yourself
to Galileo.





BUT REPEATED STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO BEGIN AN EXERCISE
PROGRAM LOSE LITTLE OR NO WEIGHT. SOME GAIN."

Just like repeated studies show the within a year or
two the vast majority of people fail at whatever diet they
try and regain the weight or more.