On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:54:37 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

Dogman wrote:
" wrote:

You and the denialists should be doing that now. Doug
said that if a vaccine for HIV was developed and those
vaccinated no longer got AIDS, it would prove that HIV
causes AIDS.

Yeah, but that's never going to happen, so wish on.

Efforts to create a vaccine have all failed so far. That's not the same
thing as a prediction that none will ever work. Time will tell.

My prediction that none will work is based on the idea that HIV is
already harmless. It doesn't kill cells. It's a retrovirus, and
retroviruses depend on the host cell for its very existence, so to
kill it off? That's suicide, and it (HIV) would have ceased to exist
eons ago.

If I understand correctly HIV is the first RNA virus where attempts have
been made to make a vaccine. A long learning curve is to be expected.

Well, that's certainly a good excuse. And it certainly helps to keep
the funding coming, huh?

Retroviruses don't kill cells (that would be like committing
suicide), or the retrovirus would die off almost immediately (it needs
the cell to survive and replicate!), with no help needed from the
immune system.

That's also how DNA viruses function. The successful ones do not kill
their host cells. The most successful ones get included in the cell's
genetic material.

Let's stick to retroviruses, eh?

Besides, if AIDS, Inc. claimed that a vaccination had been developed,
and people maintained the same lifestyle that Duesberg describes,
and/or were given AIDS drugs, we'd be right back where we presently
are. People would still be dying of opportunistic infections and
diseases caused by having your immune system destroyed by drugs and
lifestyle, vaccination or no vaccination.

Sure, if that happened. New people would stop being HIV positive.
Fewer not none, actually, given how herd immunity and statistically
uncertain personal immunity from vaccination works. The deaths from
currently sick people would occur.

Not necessarily, provided they immediately stopped abusing drugs,
taking AIDS drugs, made lifestyle changes, etc.

Time will tell.

Yep.

It's how science works. Immature science includes
discussion of concensus because concensus gives the best guess in the
absence of cetainty.

No, in my opinion, it doesn't. The Scientific Method provides the
best guess." There would be no HIV=AIDS is scientists followed the
scientific method.

Anyway, those are my opinions, and I'm sticking to 'em.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman