On Aug 3, 12:20*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:54:32 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

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Continuing to lie may not make it "true," but as Hitler once said: the
use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone
"could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." And asGoebbels wrote: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the

truth."

Yes, those are your tactics exactly. *Claiming for example
that lack of sleep causes AIDS.

But a lack of sleep *can* contribute to a compromised immune system!

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders...ss-10/immune-s...

Really, have you never even taken one biology class?

Really, do you ever stay on topic or come up with an
actual study that supports what you claim? Did I ever
say that lack of sleep can't contribute to a lowered
immune system? OF course not. In fact I acknowledged
that many posts ago. But that isn't what you're claiming.

What you and the denialist kooks are claiming is:

lack of sleep can wipe out your immune system
totally, leaving you open to the opportunistic infections
that characterize AIDS. Study please.....

even after proper sleep is restored, the immune
system remains wiped out, patients acquire
opportunistic infections and typically
die. Study please.

lack of sleep can produce the near zero levels of
CD4 cells seen in AIDS patients. Study please....

and a study explaining why the above sleep
phenomena is only seen in people who are
HIV+ would be nice too.... Study please....

Of course there are no studies because it's a
big lie.




That's like saying, who should we believe, all the other scientists,
or Galileo?

I'm going with Galileo.

See, here is the essential difference.
Galileo had PROOF for what he was claiming.

No more than Duesberg, et al.

Another lie. Duesburg has no studies, no facts, nothing
new just old theories that no studies support. Galileo
proved his claims with a telescope.



Besides, Gallo has been convicted twice of scientific misconduct and
fraud, and Montagnier says that HIV, by itself, can't cause AIDS.

The above is yet another lie. *Gallo was never convicted of
anything, nor was he even charged.

I didn't mean criminally.

But that is what convicted means liar.
Yeah, you better backpeddle on that one, for obvious
reasons, eh?




You were hanging yours on Montagnier,

I wasn't hanging any hats; I was simply repeating his own words.

No, I gave you Montagnier's words when he clearly denounced
an AIDS denialist propaganda piece publicly in 2006.

Here, in his own words:

"Indeed, both of us have contributed to the identification of such
factors but this does not put into question that HIV alone is the
cause of AIDS. We hope to dispel another point of confusion. It is
said that some AIDS patients are HIV negative (an argument made by
those who deny the role of HIV in AIDS). This is not the case. First,
false negative results are extremely rare nowadays when trained
personnel carry out modern diagnostic assays in properly equipped
laboratories. Second, there are other causes of severe immune
deficiency, such as extreme radiation exposure and rare genetic
diseases, just like a severe sore throat can be caused not only by
streptococcus, pneumonia not only by pneumococcus, and lung cancer
not
only by smoking. However, the appearance of a new immune deficiency,
AIDS, on an unprecedented, pandemic scale was caused by the spread of
HIV within the human population."






We had the AIDS patients in the first few years dying one
after the other, despite the fact that THERE WERE NO AIDS
drugs.

Correct. *But they were all drug-abusing gay men, who had been burning
the candle at both ends for years. They had destroyed their immune
systems with drugs and lifestyle, *No AIDS drugs were needed.

Sure. We have a disease with very, very specific characteristics.
We know it manifests itself in the total destruction of CD4 cells.
No, on the one hand we have direct evidence that destruction
is caused by HIV, which 99.99% of the scientific researchers
working on AIDS agree with.

On the other hand we have the denialist nuts like you that
claim:

In the first few years of the disease, that very specific
effect on the CD4 cells was produced by drugs and too
much sex.

Then somehow, the exact same thing was subsequently
caused by AIDS drugs.

Then somehow it was caused by impure clotting factor
in hemophiliacs, despite the fact that identical hemophiliacs
who are HIV- never get AIDS.

Then in blood transfusion patients, well they all just
died of something else. But only the ones who were
HIV+ died.

And in Africa, the exact same thing is being produced
today by malnutrition. That despite the fact that middle
class people are being wiped out by AIDS in Africa too.

Now only a total fool or a bigot with an agenda would
believe that.





That's why AIDS was originally called GRID. Gay-Related Immune
Deficiency.

We have your denialist friends today refusing to
take any AIDS drugs and they are mostly dying at 30.

No, they are mostly living and thriving.

I think not. Here's a list of a few dozen prominent
dead ones. Funny thing that. Gee, what do they have
in common? Took AIDS drugs? No. Gay? No.
Starving Africans? No. The only thing they have
in common is they are infected with HIV.

http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists


See: gay liberation, Stonewall riots, etc.,

See world encyclopedia and realize that AIDS and
HIV exist on every continent, in every country.

What? We're the only country that has homosexuals? The only country
that abuses drugs?

Anyone except a bigot knows that tens of millions of
people of various backgrounds have died from AIDS.

Yes, "AIDS by prescripion," from taking AIDS drugs.

Bigot


And only a bigot would try to somehow link it to gay
liberation.

Again, that's where it all started in THIS COUNTRY.

Bigot


Africa is a different situation altogether. *And I've previously
explained why.

Yes, because like all denialists you have to come up
with and change the explanation for AIDS because
your crap theories make no sense. In the US it
was being gay, until it was AIDS drugs, then it
was impure clotting factor, then it was they just
died of something else, then it was lack of sleep,
then it was too much sex. In Africa it's poor nutrition
and sanitation, which is another bigotted lie
because the African middle class is being
decimated by AIDS. Those people are not
starving.

Compare that BS with the simple concept that HIV
is the cause of AIDS and it explains it in all the
above groups. Now, go ahead, spin away with
lies....







Again this is what is offensive. The rest of us
see a woman infected with HIV by a partner that
she didn't know had HIV. It's tragic, but we know how
it happens.

Yes, it is tragic, because now they are going to start giving her AIDS
drugs, which will KILL her. And it's all unnecessary!

You denialists have to call her
a liar or secret drug addict or prostitute.

What? People who test positive for HIV don't lie? Just the rest of
us can be liars, right? Is that yet another "mysterious" effect of
HIV? It makes you tell the truth?

Some of them might, sure.

How many does it take?


In your case just one. Because you are the worst liar
I've ever encountred. But it won't work here, not
today. I'm gonna expose you for the lying bigot you are.