On 2012-07-27, Dogman wrote:
On 27 Jul 2012 19:23:24 GMT, Ivan The Not-So-Bad
wrote:

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As a fat-adapted, low-carb, paleo eater, I have energy to spare and
never have a problem with digestion. Nor does anyone I know who eats
in a similar fashion.

I also have zero ethical, religious, or political compunctions from
eating animal flesh, so maybe that helps me some, too.

I used to eat a ton of meat. Tons of it with every meal.

Interesting to me is the fact that I no longer require "tons" of meat
with my meals, provided I get enough FAT.

I never stuff myself. And I only eat when I'm hungry, not because it's
"time" to eat.

I definitely didn't require it. I was a pretty fat dude and was just eating
tons of food and tons of meat went along with that.

In those times, I
would always have slow digestion and general indigiestion.

Meat and fat take longer to digest; that's not a bug, it's a feature.
It allows enzymes in your gut longer to work their magic, i.e., get
the most nutrition out of the sources.

In my case it was long digestion along with light constipation, regardless of
how much fiber I would ingest.

Indigestion is something else altogether. It can be caused by a
multitude of things. Things like eating grains, drinking, eating too
much of anything, eating too fast,IBS, medications, etc.

That's true. But if the only vector I've eliminated from my diet is meat and
all else is/was static and I almost immediately felt better, it leads me to
believe it was the meat.

But again, it's unlikely due to the meat, unless you're *really*
piling it on.

I was definitely piling it on the first time, but not so much the second time.
The second time was having meat mainly in things like salad or on the side
during a meal.

Eventually I moved
from red meat and pork mainly to turkey and still had the same issue.

I have a hunch that your meals were too large, and eaten too often.

They were large, but not eaten very often and this is only valid during the
first phase of my life where I ate meat (20-something years)

I then became a vegetarian and the issues with energy levels and digestion went
away. After a few years, I went back to eating meatand the same problems
returned. Eventually, I just ended up going vegetarian and that was pretty much
that. In those times, everything else in my life was fairly static down to when
I went to sleep and woke up.

I'm not trying to convince you, one way or the other, but you may want
to gradually begin to eat more meat, but don't eat "tons" of it. See
how that works out for you.

At this point, I honestly have no pull towards it. If I had some sort of desire
to eat it again, I would consider it but right now and for the last few years,
not so much.

At this point my energy levels are such that I am able to lift heavy 3 days a
week and put out 6 hours and 40 minutes of aerobic exercises per week with no
issues.

Yeah, I used to work out that much (and more), but almost 7 hours of
aerobic exercise per week is over-doing it, in my opinion, and may be
adding unnecessary stress (systemic inflammation) to your body's
systems.

Of course, that depends on what your objectives are (training for a
sport, competition, etc.), but for general health and fitness, that's
way too much.

"Chronic cardio" is bad for your health:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chron...#axzz21qQTwH8B

I totally agree that I am probably overdoing it. I can't argue with you there.
If I feel any pain in my joints or muscles from doing it, I definitely scale it
back a bit but for it's been going pretty well ths far. I've had full physicals
including blood and urine work done recently with no issues. All of my numbers
were spot on so I'm not too worried though I do admit I'm probably not doing
myself many favors with that much aerobics. I think I might be addicted to it,
to be honest.

[...]
I have no problem with people who do eat meat. To each their own. It's just not
my choice due to aforementioned reasons.

You bet, it's your choice.

But again, it doesn't make sense to me to deprive yourself of the
tastiest and most nutritious foods on the planet unless you absolutely
have to. And I don't think you have to, provided you do a bit more
experimenting. E.g., add a *small* amount of meat to one meal per day,
then see how that goes. If it goes well, add a small amount of meat to
two meals per day. And so on.

I just don't feel like I'm depriving myself of anything. I am able to live
completely free of it and have no desire either in taste or nutritionally to
eat it, so why bother? If I was doing it for the ethical aspect of it, I'd
probably put up more of an argument here but I'm not. I mean, it's great that
I'm not contributing to industrialized slaughter of animals but that's not why
I don't do it