On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:12:21 -0700 (PDT), "
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They are also on a low fat diet. *When you're eating
600 calories a day, it's low everything. *But that is only
for the first couple of weeks.

So what?

So, once again, since this diet only lasts for a few weeks,
how can you claim that it's a LC diet, not something to do
with the surgical bypass that completely reverses diabetes
forever in these patients. It doesn't get much simpler than
that. Capiche?

Until you can explain to me what these "mysterious" effects are, and
how they work, etc., I'm going with Ockham's Razor.

It's their diet, a diet that starts out low-carb, high-protein, and
basically stays that way, only with more calories. If they were to
return to their old eating habits, they'd likely regain the weight,
just like people who haven't had gastric-bypass surgery would.

Now it may be possible for some of these patients to keep the weight
off, long-term, using diets other than LC, but that's not the point
here.

The point is, and always has been, that a low-carb diet can affect the
same changes that gastric-bypass surgery sees. And without all the
nasty side effects. And is certainly worth a try.

[...]
You were pushing your typical reliance on the Medical Establishment,
also typically ignoring all the many adverse side effects of doing so,
and Doug (and I) were offering an alternative approach that appears to
garner similar results - curing diabetes, and losing weight, more or
less naturally, simply by eating correctly.


Again, it was clear to everyone except you,

Do you have any proof of that?

No? I didn't think so.

HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

Check!

HIV is harmless

Mostly. Check!

HPV isn't a cause of ovarian cancer

What? *You're not content in having HPV causing cervical cancer? Now
it causes ovarian cancer too? *What doesn't it cause? How about trying
to pin CHD on HPV, too! *It's such a powerful virus that it causes
people to lose their freakin' minds, too, apparently.

But, no, HPV doesn't cause ovarian cancer. *Check!

No virus can cause cancer

Check! Maybe genital warts. Maybe.

AIDS is the result of poor nutrition, not enough sleep, poor
sanitation

Along with other things. Check!

AIDS is confined to gay men, drug abusers and hemophiliacs

In the U.S. (and Europe), that's pretty much true. *Check!

http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/ris...realities.html

What else would you like to add to your list today?

How about Hep C, FeLV, FIV being mostly harmless, too?

Check!

And let's not forget that "prions" are only a figment of someone's
very vivid imagination (Stanley Prusiner), but earned him a Nobel
Prize anyway. *Check!

OK, we'll add prions to your running list of denialist nonsense.
What caused Mad Cow?

Organophospates, for one. An insecticide routinely spread along the
spines of cows.

Of course, there's still time to pin it on HPV, too, so don't give up
hope yet!

[...]
We were not listing the merits. *We were discussing one very
narrow aspect of bariatric surgery. *I see the fat fast was mentioned.
Why don't you condemn and go after Doug for not mentioning
the dangers and side effects?

One reason? *Doug's not an asshole!

Oh, I see. You admit your arguments are not based
on applying logical rules, just going after people who
you don't like.

No, based on Doug's SOUND argument (not that you would ever recognize
one!) that a fat fast was certainly worth a try, AND because you're an
asshole.

And, no, I don't like you.

And that's about the first thing you've gotten right here, in weeks.


Second reason? It's already well known that it should only be
undertaken under a doctor's superrvision.

AFAIK, Atkins never placed any such requirement on it.

"Dr. Atkins only recommends a fat fast under strict doctor's
supervision if individuals do not respond to the traditional New
Atkins diet."

http://www.the-healthy-diet-paradise...kins-diet.html

Apparently there's yet another book you should read.

Asshole.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman