Ignoramus7068 wrote:
|| In article , Roger Zoul wrote:
||| Ignoramus7068 wrote:
||||| I can relate my experience with "portion controlled dieting" vs.
||||| "low carb dieting".
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||||| Contrary to what that expert says, volume of food, quantity of
||||| water etc, does not have a big effect on my satiety. (except for
||||| the first
||||| few days, probably the same for others that show in short term
||||| experiments) I could have my stomach completely full of water and
||||| vegetables and still be hungry, meaning thinking about food and
||||| wanting more.
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||||| Second, saying that low carb diets are really low calorie diets
||||| because, even though the dieter eats all he wants, he eats low
||||| cal, completely misses the point.
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||| I don't think that statement misses the point, it just makes a
||| different one.
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|| Fair enough. But, an honest and informed person wanting to make a
|| more complete description of low carbing, should not miss the point
|| that
|| I mentioned.

Yes, I agree that that point SHOULD be mentioned in any discussion about
LCing.

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|| Jane Brody, author of books like "High Carb Eating" etc, a low fata
|| dvocate, did miss it.

I see. Perhaps she is blinded by the notion that to lose weight it is
necessary to reduce calories. Period. While most will find that a true
statement, the real issue, afaic, is in how to reduce calories. That's
where LC shines, IMO. Just like you, eating a lot of low-calorie foods with
lots of water does not reduce my appetite. If that were the case, I could
just eat a couple head of lettuce a day and be happy. NOT!



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||||| The point is that a person who would not regulate his calorie
||||| intake
||||| on a high carb diet, can now regulate it on a high fat diet. The
||||| calorie regulation system that was thought to be broken, can work
||||| by itself, once I changed what I eat. If I overeat fat, I skip
||||| the next meal or eat a lot less afterwards, because I am not
||||| hungry.
|||
||| I agree. But I think non-low-carbers who don't have issues with BG
||| control just can't understand this point.
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|| Which is unfortunate.
||
||||| For me, low carb is not a "metabolic loophole", using Dr Atkins
||||| words. It is not "cheating the system". It is a way to eat to
||||| function normally, in the sense that such that normal appetite can
||||| control weight.
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||||| My hope is that this low carbing is not harmful to my health and
||||| that
||||| my body won't adapt to it, after a while, in ways that would make
||||| me gain weight on LC.
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||| I can't imagine such a thing as you body adapting to LC so that you
||| start gaining weight.
||
|| I hope that you are right.
||
||| What I can imagine is you becoming bored and wanting to eat
||| other things, down the road. It can happen to anyone.
||
|| This is absolutely true, that's why I am not ready to say that "this
|| diet is forever" etc.

Nothing is forever. However, it could be 80 or 90% of forever. Shooting
for perfection is not likely to work. But to realize that if you go off LC
for a period of time and then come back to it, or do some other variation of
the notion that you devise because it works for you, may allow you to
implement an effective strategy for the long term.