On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT), "
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There you go again. *I never said anything about not trying
anything else first.

Then why are you gnawing on my ankles again???

Because that's all I'm saying here, and that's all Dr. Briffa is
saying!

One more time. Dr. Briffa did an analysis where he
claimed that you have to treat 32 men in order to avoid
one stroke in 5 years. He then called the benefit of
avoiding one stroke in 5 years a "slim benefit".

And that's what it is, for the very reasons I've already explained.

And we can keep doing this as many times as you want.

I'm game bred.

I'm not blowing them out of proportion, I'm just restoring them to
their rightful place. Only morons ignore side effects of drugs (and
all drugs have them!).

And the word DEATH should get even your attention.

Nah, probably not.

It's rather amazing. Using the doctors own numbers,
avoiding one stroke among 32 men in 5 years is a
slim benefit. But we're supposed to get all worked
up over DEATH as a possible side effect of a
blood pressure medication?

Considering that the benefits of taking the pills are statistically
"slim," you should be concerned, yes.

Only morons get "all worked up."

Most people wouldn't think it's a "huge benefit" if the side effects
of taking the drugs can also result in DEATH, among a long list of
life-long, debilitating effects.

The side effect of most drugs includes possible death.

Exactly. And that's why they should always be the last resort.

But even the other side effects from taking BP meds are nothing to
sniff at, e.g., impotence, dizziness, low blood sugar, muscle cramps,
constipation, headaches, bleeding gums, etc. - for essentially the
rest of one's life.

And only some moron like you would call them "idiots."

Now, instead of staying on the point, you claim I'm
advocating people not try to lower their blood pressure
first by losing weight, exercise, etc.

That's pretty much what you were doing, otherwise there would have
been no need to reply.

QED.

You clearly have a problem with anyone who makes
any kind of comment regarding even a part of the
stuff you post.

The only reason you're even commenting on this post is because we
despise each other. And you see it as your job to harass me about
anything I post here.

Well, good luck with that, asshole!

Hypertension can also run in families, and may be absolutely nothing
to worry about.

I'm sure we'd all like to see the study that supports
that conclusion.

You can look it up. Well, maybe you can't, but anyone else can.

If everyone in a family has elevated BP, but live
average lives, don't have strokes or heart attacks, why would you
necessarily want to lower it in the first place,

Study please to show that this pure speculation
exists. Otherwise, it's just a strawman.

You can look it up.

You probably should look up the term "straw man" too, because you
obviously don't know what that means.

especially after
considering that artificailly doing so may cause DEATH and other
life-long debilitating effects?

Do you realize that if you have a headache and take some
aspirin there is a risk of DEATH?

I'm not aware of it ever happening, but I suppose it's possible.

Anything is possible.

Some families have abnormally high (or extremely low) levels of
cholesterol, too, but most of them lead normal lives, with normal
life-spans.

Study please.

Oh please.

Look it up for yourself. It's easy to do.

Asshole.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman