On Jun 8, 1:37*pm, Billy wrote:
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thin, is mostly a matter of genetics.

Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull.

What's misanthrope doing interacting socially?

Sharing the love.

I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love,
neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah.

Ask yo' momma.



And what state of grace, allows you to cast
invectives in such a gratuitous manner?

Being honest.

Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not
characterizing others or their motives.

What is more factual that observations of dull-eyed slump-gutted face-
stuffers, well, stuffing their faces and wailing about how their
genetics stop them from being supermodels?



Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics
impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition
will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight.

Harder, perhaps. *By what perventage/ratio?
Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? *Instead of loosing 5
kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4
kilos. *But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh?

Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or
non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you
connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be
absent from your bag of tricks.

I'll remember that when I re-read the bit you wrote about me not
knowing love in your opening paragraph in this post.




Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment..

Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the
Twinkie display.

*oink* *oink*



If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories
than the population needs, you have a good chance of
being obese,

Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in
implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of
calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons
eye.

Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A
deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha.

I see you judge others by your own (lack of) values.


Right, and
thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling
them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on
advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their
bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up,
preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through,
much less keep up with the development of a police state around them.

Too busy to watch what they stuff down their throats?

Your stats and arguments only support one thing, and its not what you
want it to be.
Firstly, your mistalen belif that BMR calculations and knowledge of
macro-nutrient profiles are somehow new breakthroughs. Secondly, that
most people share your slack motivation levels. And thirdly you imply
we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing
strategies.




Mediocrity is fine by you?
[snip]
What about average do you find disturbing?

Those that settle for it.

Everybody should be above average, Gracie?
Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another.
We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our
Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that
you don't see the problem.

And you condone the lack of the above, as you imply we are all passive
drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies.



I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic
Curmudgeon would be the person that they would
choose to be cornered by at a party.

True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes
them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones

True, I can feel the nausea myself.

Indeed, many people dont like it when mirrors are help up in front of
them.



I think I've already wasted too much
time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness.

Fine: sod off out of MFW and back to the fat-acceptors with such a low
value of humanity as you do; assumig they are all passive drones




Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact
your joints.

Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for
those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low
stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage.

So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is
wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you.

True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional

Being in water allows the flexing of muscles
without support.

Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for?

Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may
be a good way to begin.

If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise
for you now, shall I?

Before anyone listens to us, they should ask
their doctor what they think.

Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on
the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods
sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused
and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no
pun intended) most of what *GP says on this subject can be ignored.

I note you ignore the above.



Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking,
biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat.

Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise
needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. *Like breathing,
these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions
to be 'acheived'.

Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life.

Precisly. *That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves
in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden
donut or 24.

And that.