On Aug 3, 11:02*am, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT), "

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Mostly, yes. Which is why it's almost impossible to find the *actual*
virus in any person with AIDS.

A good example of a huge big denialist lie.

In probably 99.999% of AIDS cases, the actual virus is never even
looked for, much less found. Only the *antibodies* are found!

Yes indeed. *Just like in 99.999% of hepatitis cases the
actual virus is never looked for.

Nor is it ever found. Very similar to HIV, HCV is probably a
"passenger" virus, that rears it's ugly head only after a certain
amount of damage has been done to the liver, from abusing drugs,
alcohol, etc.

http://www.healtoronto.com/hepc.html

As usual, more crap from a kook AIDS denialist website.
As if they are a credible source on hepatitis.
And who said it had to be hep C? Is hep B not a real
disease too because antibody tests are used for
diagnosis and the actual virus is not isolated in
every patient? Pick any of the other diseases out
there today where antibody testing is used for
diagnosis. Google "antibody disease test" and
every testing lab has them and they are routinely
used.

Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?




As for looking for the actual virus, in the case of AIDS,
we do have tests that measure the actual amount of
virus in the patients body.

No, we do not. But most importantly, they're extremely rarely used
anyway, relying instead on antibody tests and clinical observations.

That's another lie. The viral load is being measured on
most, if not all the patients on current AIDS drug therapy.





AIDS is caused by poor diet, not enough sleep,
recreational drug use, or too much sex
This is something that anyone can test on him/herself.

Any takers?
That exact experiment has been performed for 30
years and continues to be performed today.

Yes, people continue to live the drug-abusive lifestyle, have
promiscuous male sex with hundreds of partners a month, take AIDS
drugs, etc., and they continue to die. *Some "experiment," eh?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results.

We have study after study of recreational drug users,
prostitutes, gay men, hemophiliacs, blood
transfusion recipients. *And all say exactly the
same thing. *Absent HIV infection people in those
groups do not get AIDS despite having exactly
the same set of risk factors.

The vast majority of smokers never get lung cancer. Thus, some people
who live this lifestyle can survive longer than others can. But if
they live it long enough, burning the candle at both ends, etc., they
will eventually destroy their immune systems -- and die. *Either from
their lifestyle, lack of nutrition, or from being given AIDS drugs.

Which has nothing whatever to do with the fact that
people in any of these groups, absent HIV infection,
never get AIDS. Why do you lie? Surely you must
understand this most basic concept. We look at
say recreational drug users and find that only those
that use IV drugs get AIDS. We further find that
of these, only those that are HIV+ go on to develop
AIDS. We see that those IV drug abusers that
are HIV+ have many times the mortality rate of
identical IV drug abusers who are HIV-. This has
been studied again and again around the world
by independent AIDS researchers. You know,
the kind that actual research AIDS instead of
just writing denialist opinion pieces and talking
to glowing alien raccoons.

The exact same thing has been studied and studied
and studied in prostitutes, gay men, blood
transfusion recipients, hemophiliacs, soccer
moms. Pick any group and it's been studied.
The conclusion is always the same. Absent
HIV infection they don't develop AIDS. With
HIV infection the vast majority do and that
group has an astonishing mortality rate compared
to the control group.

Why must you lie? Oh, I know, it's because
you're really just a bigot with an agenda.




You abuse your immune system at your own risk.

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We're still waiting for that study that shows it's possible
to produce what characterizes AIDS by "abusing your
immune system". Show us the study that shows there
are patients who have CD4 counts near zero while
abusing their immune systems. Show us where they
continue to have CD4 counts near zero and all the
symptoms of AIDS, despite no longer abusing their
immune system. Show us the study where they die
at 30..... You can't because it doesn't exist.

On the other hand real studies have shown over and
over that HIV infection produces exactly that, CD4
near zero and AIDS, no "abuse" required.