On Aug 15, 9:42*pm, Who_me? wrote:
On 16/08/11 12:08 AM, wrote:

On Aug 14, 12:27 pm, *wrote:
On 14/08/11 11:04 PM, wrote:

Atkins is widely known, and widely disputed, pilloried and slammed by not
just people like me but by the medical profession - Atkins peers - by
research organisations like Harvard, by Government bodies, by nutritionists
and media. It always has been, right from his very first book release. If
you aren't aware of that then you must be living in a cave.

I know there are plenty of Atkins bashers out there, including
you. *But it is you who is living in a cave, because the same
people bashing Atkins say similar things about your boy
Dukan and his diet:

Not my boy and I would be absolutely amazed if they weren't detractors for
his regimen.What I said - if you care to actually read - is that his diet,
in the maintenance phase is pretty close to the my diet. I also stated
quite clearly that I had not used his diet.

Iou agree there are detractors for his diet, which you claim
is great, yet you bring up detractors of the Atkins diet. A
hypocrit and troll for sure.





That may be true for some people. *For others, trying to just cut
back on carbs that way, without following the Atkins plan starting
with induction, will
lead to hunger, cravings and failure with the diet. * Snobs like
you then look down on those people as failures due to lack
of willpower. * Why, it worked for me.... *Anyone for who that
doesn't work is just a weak person.

Yep. That is EXACTLY what I think. Many people are weak willed. Even people
who I love and care about number among them. My approach is to work on that
will, not take away the temptation with diets that kill appetite. Why not
have your taste buds lasered off?

You really are an elitist snob aren't you?

No, not a snob, just a realist.

Must be nice to be you.

It - most of the time.

You fail to acknowledge *there are a lot of people who's bodies
respond differently, who have different genetics, where if
they ate what you did they would feel hungry all the time and
hence be driven to eat.

Because that is cop out bull****.

Hunger is one of the most powerful
forces in the body. *Even scientists today do not understand
exactly what drives it and there is continuing research to
understand it. *You, on the other hand, know it all and just
look down at those folks as being weak.

Yep because in most instance those claiming to be hungry arren't Look at
what they refuse and what they chose to eat when supposedly "starving".

You know
so much that you claim genetics does not play a role in
obesity. *Talk about living in a cave, that is a classic.

Very seldom does genetics play any role at all.


Just another example of how totally ignorant you are. Now,
who should we believe, you or the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Obesity/

Scientists have made great advances in understanding important
environmental causes of obesity as well as identifying several genes
that might be implicated. Major efforts are now directed toward
assessing the interactions of genes and environment in the obesity
epidemic

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1016074958.htm
Genetics Has Key Role In Obesity
ScienceDaily (Oct. 17, 2007) — New evidence that genetics plays
a key role in obesity is published in the International Journal of
Bioinformatics Research and Applications. The findings relate to
the genetics of modern Pima Indians who have an unusually high
rate of obesity but the finding could be extrapolated to all people.
Their obesity is thought to be linked to a thrifty metabolism that
allowed them to metabolize food more efficiently in times when
little was available but causes problems when food is in abundance.




Force someone to eat well
and exercise regularly and they will become fit and lose the "medically
impossible to lose" fat. There are exceptions, but almost every fat person
claims to be one of those exceptions.

The obvious point is that you can't put people in a cage
and force them to do anything. I also know from personal
experience as does everyone else in this discussion but
you, that Atkins or any similar LC plan, sharply curtails
hunger. That is an important point, for any reasonable
person, but obviously that excludes you. It's a diet
that more people can stay on without failing.







Note that I'm not saying that's what's responsible for all
obesity. *But to deny that a diet that greatly reduces
hunger is not an advantage because it's not needed is
just nuts.

I would rather see support to increase willpower and reduce self
indulgence. Reducing weight by camouflaging hunger is pointless, it is a
crutch and doomed to eventual failure.

Who gives a rat's ass what you want to see?





Apparently, it isn't enough for people to
just lose weight. *They have to do it YOUR way and
you prefer they suffer as much as possible.

I don't care how they do it, but if they use Atkins and feel that they need
to stay with Atkins, then they haven't lost weight, they have simply put it
aside temporarily.

Another classic non-sequitor.


* *Are

you a sadist?

Sometimes.


Perhaps the only honest thing you've posted.






First, you did NOT say that the ongoing Dukan diet is nearly
identical to your own. *You just said the Dukan diet. *I would
suspect that the ongoing phase of the Dukan diet is very
similar to Atkins. *So, once again, you're twisting and
turning.

Read through the thread again - try it with your eyes open this time.

You're the troll with the closed eyes. You only added the
ongoing part after you were caught and exposed as not
realizing that the Duakn diet starting out is pure protein
and hence, if there were any kidney issues, it would be
even more harmful than Atkins. In fact, the Dukan diet
is very similar to Atkins. The fact that you slammed
Atkins, together with the fact that you don't understand
that Atkins includes vegetable, etc, shows that you
actually don't know much about either Atkins or Dukan.