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LC Research
Its always good new to see that a LC research trial is going on.
I usually find these at the research site, but this one is from Craigslist. Research Volunteers Needed - ROCKEFELLER UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL LOSE WEIGHT UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION LOW CALORIE High Fat/Protein - Low Carbohydrate Weight Loss Diet -Healthy Overweight Pre-menopausal Women 30-50 years old -Study Duration: 10 weeks overnight as an inpatient -Work or school are allowed while participating -Compensation provided CALL 1-800-RU-CARES and press #2 for more information www.rucares.org 1230 York Avenue, New York, NY -- Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm |
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RRzVRR wrote:
Its always good new to see that a LC research trial is going on. There is an incredible amount of carbohydrate research going on. You can go to: http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/action/GetStudy Type in the word "carbohydrate" When the page comes up, be sure to click on the box, "Include trials that are no longer recruiting patients" You will see 128 studies involving carbohydrates. One of those is a long term study on the Atking diet. Study start: April 2003; Study completion: May 2007 Cookie |
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I don't know how you can get any worthwhile results on the effects of diet
in a period of only 10 weeks. BlueBrooke wrote: | "The first 2 weeks consist of a weight stabilization period, during | which subjects will be required to eat an average American diet. This | is followed by the 6 week weight loss period where subjects will be | put on a low calorie, low-carbohydrate-high fat/protein diet. During | the weight loss period, calories will be cut by 50% compared to the | weight stabilization period. This will be followed by a 2 week weight | maintenance period during which calories will be added to the diet to | maintain the new weight. Appropriate adjustments will be made to keep | the subject's weight stable." | | They mention the two week maintenance period "during which calories | will be added" -- they don't mention the carbs. | | If they go back to the "average American diet" and adjust only | calories for maintenance (and not carbs), they can say low carb works | for weight loss, but then you gain all the weight back? | | It will be very interesting to see the results. |
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FOB wrote:
I don't know how you can get any worthwhile results on the effects of diet in a period of only 10 weeks. BlueBrooke wrote: | "The first 2 weeks consist of a weight stabilization period, during | which subjects will be required to eat an average American diet. This | is followed by the 6 week weight loss period where subjects will be | put on a low calorie, low-carbohydrate-high fat/protein diet. During | the weight loss period, calories will be cut by 50% compared to the | weight stabilization period. This will be followed by a 2 week weight | maintenance period during which calories will be added to the diet to | maintain the new weight. Appropriate adjustments will be made to keep | the subject's weight stable." | | They mention the two week maintenance period "during which calories | will be added" -- they don't mention the carbs. | | If they go back to the "average American diet" and adjust only | calories for maintenance (and not carbs), they can say low carb works | for weight loss, but then you gain all the weight back? | | It will be very interesting to see the results. I have a different take on this matter. One of the biggest problems LC use to have was that there was so very little research done looking at LC in any scenario. To me, the research that has been done since the late 90's has been more balanced and frequently with a lean toward more positive outlooks regarding LC and its benefits. What I'm looking for in the Rockefeller research is how LC effects bodycomp. They do a good deal of research on bodycomp... and I've tried a few times to get into those studies (turned down mostly because of the pins I have in my jaw and/or due to the amount or exercise that I do per week). So I'm hoping that when they report on the study it will be more about LC's effect on bodycomp. In case anyone is interested they also do a good deal of research on leptin. -- Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm |
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BlueBrooke .@. writes:
Research Volunteers Needed - ROCKEFELLER UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL "The first 2 weeks consist of a weight stabilization period, during which subjects will be required to eat an average American diet. This is followed by the 6 week weight loss period where subjects will be put on a low calorie, low-carbohydrate-high fat/protein diet. During the weight loss period, calories will be cut by 50% compared to the weight stabilization period. This will be followed by a 2 week weight maintenance period during which calories will be added to the diet to maintain the new weight. Appropriate adjustments will be made to keep the subject's weight stable." Why "low calorie"? Seems to me, if it succeeds, that'll just allow people to give the credit to the low-calorie part instead of the low-carb part. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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Aaron Baugher wrote:
BlueBrooke .@. writes: Research Volunteers Needed - ROCKEFELLER UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL "The first 2 weeks consist of a weight stabilization period, during which subjects will be required to eat an average American diet. This is followed by the 6 week weight loss period where subjects will be put on a low calorie, low-carbohydrate-high fat/protein diet. During the weight loss period, calories will be cut by 50% compared to the weight stabilization period. This will be followed by a 2 week weight maintenance period during which calories will be added to the diet to maintain the new weight. Appropriate adjustments will be made to keep the subject's weight stable." Why "low calorie"? Seems to me, if it succeeds, that'll just allow people to give the credit to the low-calorie part instead of the low-carb part. Somebody is thinking. But you forgot the part that if the study doesn't succeed, the blame will go to the low-carb part. This could be a Presidentially inspired study. Jim |
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Jbuch writes:
But you forgot the part that if the study doesn't succeed, the blame will go to the low-carb part. Which seems likely. Cutting calories by 50% certainly has nothing to do with low-carb eating, and starving the test subjects the whole time is just going to encourage recidivism and weight gain when they go into their maintenance (whatever that means to them) period. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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On Mar 1, 8:26 am, Aaron Baugher wrote:
Jbuch writes: But you forgot the part that if the study doesn't succeed, the blame will go to the low-carb part. Which seems likely. Cutting calories by 50% certainly has nothing to do with low-carb eating, and starving the test subjects the whole time is just going to encourage recidivism and weight gain when they go into their maintenance (whatever that means to them) period. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 --http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." While I agree that calories are somewhat secondary given the metabolic advantage, the insulin metabolism, and the hunger quashing effects of LC diets, even Atkins wrote that at some point, calories matter (Atkins for Life). The Drs. Eades concur. By 50% seems like a Kimkins kind of thing. Lot of LC diets out there, and not everything is Atkins-South Beach-Protein Power(LifePlan). I wouldn't do Kimkins if it were the only thing that actually worked, but that's me, I guess. |
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On Mar 1, 8:54 am, "Hollywood" wrote:
On Mar 1, 8:26 am, Aaron Baugher wrote: Jbuch writes: But you forgot the part that if the study doesn't succeed, the blame will go to the low-carb part. Which seems likely. Cutting calories by 50% certainly has nothing to do with low-carb eating, and starving the test subjects the whole time is just going to encourage recidivism and weight gain when they go into their maintenance (whatever that means to them) period. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 --http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." While I agree that calories are somewhat secondary given the metabolic advantage, the insulin metabolism, and the hunger quashing effects of LC diets, even Atkins wrote that at some point, calories matter (Atkins for Life). The Drs. Eades concur. By 50% seems like a Kimkins kind of thing. Lot of LC diets out there, and not everything is Atkins-South Beach-Protein Power(LifePlan). I wouldn't do Kimkins if it were the only thing that actually worked, but that's me, I guess. The whole thing sounds rather dubious to me. Also curious about why this is 10 weeks of overnight stays. What's up with that? They say the subjects can go to work or school, so they are obviously not trying to keep them from eating unaccounted for food. Are they afraid they will sleep walk and raid the fridge? LOL |
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"Hollywood" writes:
While I agree that calories are somewhat secondary given the metabolic advantage, the insulin metabolism, and the hunger quashing effects of LC diets, even Atkins wrote that at some point, calories matter (Atkins for Life). The Drs. Eades concur. That may be true 'at some point,' as you say, but it becomes more important in the late near-goal stages of weight loss, which these people may never reach in the limited time of this test. The general attitude on calories that I get from Atkins and Eades is: *if* you're following the plan correctly, and *if* you've already eliminated foods that seem to stall some people like artificial sweeteners, and *if* you're eating until you're full, and you're still stuck, *then* you should start restricting your calories by a small amount and see if it helps. Calorie restriction is never the first step. I think if you wrote the Eadeses and told them you had to restrict your calories by 50% of maintenance to get the plan to work, they'd tell you you simply couldn't have been doing it correctly, or had some serious medical problems with your metabolism that should be looked at. This study seems designed to produce exactly the kind of post-diet recidivism that the experts like to claim is unavoidable. By 50% seems like a Kimkins kind of thing. Lot of LC diets out there, and not everything is Atkins-South Beach-Protein Power(LifePlan). I wouldn't do Kimkins if it were the only thing that actually worked, but that's me, I guess. I'm not familiar with that one, but I don't see the point. Sure, starvation at a 50% level will force me to lose weight, however unhealthy the process may be; but if I were going to do that, why bother with low-carb too? -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- http://aaron.baugher.biz/ "If you hear hoofbeats, you just go ahead and think horsies, not zebras." |
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