Fat Loss 4 Who?

I was wondering about the opinion of this illustrious panel about this
diet. You have to pay to download the thing to figure out what the
hell it is in the first place, but lucky for you all I have done that,
so you don't need to do your analysis by assumption.

Okay, so the the thing says it works using two principles, the
"acceleration of fat burning hormones" through nutrition and "calorie
shifting" -- which in this case means varying the amount and *type* of
calorie from meal to meal. 4 meals a day on the accelerated fat loss
plan.

You start out choosing up to fifteen ( I think) foods from one column
and fifteen from another column. Submit your choices and you get a
printout back from their randomizer that includes an eleven day menu
with diet instructions. Instructions are that you have to eat 4 meals
a day as they are published from your randomizer, as much of any type
of drink as long as it has less than ten calories a glass( and that
includes caffeinated stuff), and a handful of condiments on any meal
which are all, I notice, the lowfat kind -- you can have ketchup,
salsa and barbecue sauce but no mayo.

Got it?

All right, a sample day one menu looks like this:

Meal 1
Cashews
Peanuts
Fresh Oranges

Meal 2
Regular Cheese slices
Cottage cheese

Meal 3
Roast beef slices
low fat milk
bowl of oatmeal

Meal 4
Cashews
Peanuts
Fresh strawberries

There are *no* limits on portions but the instructions are that you
should stop eating when you have a little room left over. You can eat
these meals in any order-- don't be thrown by the weird food combos
because I purposely generated this one with the smallest number of
choices from each column. The first column has protein/fat choices and
the second has fruits and vegetables. When I say "fat" I mean cheese
and nuts -- not butter or oil. That's not an option anywhere. There
are no bread choices on the carb side -- the only grainy carb
available there is oatmeal. Oh, it also says you can eat one or all of
each of the choices for each meal.

day 2 is an all fruit day, but the fruit you can choose from is weird:
you an have grapes and peaches but neither bananas nor cantaloupe are
listed as one of the fruits you can have that day.

Days 3 through 7 are somewhat the same as Day 1 ( I think). They go on
in that sort of low carb, 4 meal a day pattern, but every once in a
while there will be an all fruit or all veggie meal.

Day 8 is an all veggie day. The only protein choice you can have with
your greens that day is pinto beans and the only dressing allowed is
two tablespoons of grated cheese or two tables of lowfat dressing.

Then Day 9 through 11, again with the four meal random pattern.

And that's one "cycle". You're encouraged to take three days off to
cheat and then set in more coordinates to generate another eleven days
of weird eating.

The minute I read it I knew it would work. This was just my intuition
talking -- the whole menu reads like something written by a person on
serious meds. But, I figured, I needed something to shake up my
metabolism -- even if I lost nothing at least I would be shocking
myself off the plateau. Sure enough, after a monthlong stall, as of
day seven ( today) -- I dropped six pounds.

I just can't figure out WHY. Six pounds in a week is pretty fast --
and it can't be water because I've been on straight lowcarb for two
months. The bellyball that was depressing the hell out of me a week
ago is...gone? How can that be? All the web searching I've done has
turned up virtually nothing on "calorie shifting" -- fat loss 4 idiots
searches turn up affiliate sites and the occasional positive
testimonial. Or...you know...ezine article -- what is calorie
shifting? Click here to try it now! But that's it. Bodybuilder boards
are almost completely silent about eating this program.

Question: wtf?

c
So this is what they eat in Alternate Reality.

wrote:

... But, I figured, I needed something to shake up my
metabolism -- even if I lost nothing at least I would be shocking
myself off the plateau. Sure enough, after a monthlong stall, as of
day seven ( today) -- I dropped six pounds.

Let's see. You just barely qualified for a stall (you did use the
tape measure and confirm you weren't losing inches, right? If
you did not you weren't stalled because you were probably losing
inches. It's very common to alternate between losing pounds
and losing inches and when it comes down to it inches count
more for most folks).

Of course rather than trying the first, second, third or fourth
things on the stall buster list, you tried something not on the
list. You're giving in to the temptation to try the most extreme
option available and that's bad news for chances of surviving
maintenance.

I just can't figure out WHY. Six pounds in a week is pretty fast --

There's no reason to think your recent activity caused it. You
were doing fine so there's no reason to believe that it wasn't your
regular plan that caused the whoosh.

That said, I have long believed that change matters as much as
whatever ou current plan is. No matter what the current plan, a
sudden change tends to trigger a whoosh. Taken only as a plan
to make sudden radical ranges the week you're on a qualified
stall, this is terrible because it sets up a vicious cycle of
alternating
between plans.

I offer a different perspective for how to use this feaute that change
is better - Whatever your quotas were last week, pick different ones
this week and different ones next week. During early Atkins OWL
the quota increases weekyl until out of ketonuria and that counts as
change. The normal process is to cruise at 5-10 under the amount
that kicked you out of ketonuria, steady at a stable quota. I suggest
being at that level every other week and the other weeks picking some
different carb quota. Shake it up week by week. It seems to work
great by the few who try it.

and it can't be water because I've been on straight lowcarb for two
months. The bellyball that was depressing the hell out of me a week
ago is...gone? How can that be?

Possibility that has nothing to do with calories or carb counts
or calorie shifting - Is there some food that you almost always
eat that isn't in that wierd plan? You may have a previously
unknown food intolerance that expresses itself as 6 pounds of
water bloating. Maybe this is the first time in years you've gone
a week without eggs? Or without dairy or whatever? Consider
it a suspect and in a few weeks add it back in and see if the
whoosh reverse. If it does, remove it again and write off whatever
it is as a personal poison.

c
So this is what they eat in Alternate Reality.

Chortle.

On Nov 30, 4:24�pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote:

... But, I figured, I needed something to shake up my
metabolism -- even if I lost nothing at least I would be shocking
myself off the plateau. Sure enough, after a monthlong stall, as of
day seven ( today) -- I dropped six pounds.

Let's see. �You just barely qualified for a stall (you did use the
tape measure and confirm you weren't losing inches, right? �If
you did not you weren't stalled because you were probably losing
inches. �It's very common to alternate between losing pounds
and losing inches and when it comes down to it inches count
more for most folks).


Oh, dude, don't be such a Church Lady. I was stalled, I know I was
stalled, and I've been in maintenance for almost five years, not
counting my recent descent into hell.

Of course rather than trying the first, second, third or fourth
things on the stall buster list, you tried something not on the
list. �You're giving in to the temptation to try the most extreme
option available and that's bad news for chances of surviving
maintenance.


Actually I did try Stillman for a few days, a fat fast for a few days
after that, and I also tried to add carbs at some point. I stacked for
a week and lost nothing but also did not die. I was not losing pounds.
I was not losing inches. I was dead. In. The. Water. I know the "stall
list" like I know the lyrics to Happy Birthday. I do know what I'm
doing, chief.


There's no reason to think your recent activity caused it. �You
were doing fine so there's no reason to believe that it wasn't your
regular plan that caused the whoosh.


Okay. Now that's true.

That said, I have long believed that change matters as much as
whatever ou current plan is. �No matter what the current plan, a
sudden change tends to trigger a whoosh. �Taken only as a plan
to make sudden radical ranges the week you're on a qualified
stall, this is terrible because it sets up a vicious cycle of
alternating
between plans.


Doug? Why is it bad to alternate between plans again? And why, if I'm
stalling, should I wait another four weeks or something to *be sure*
I'm in a stall? I knew two weeks ago I was burning nothing. I am at
one with my pants size in this regard.

I offer a different perspective for how to use this feaute that change
is better - Whatever your quotas were last week, pick different ones
this week and different ones next week. �During early Atkins OWL
the quota increases weekyl until out of ketonuria and that counts as
change. �The normal process is to cruise at 5-10 under the amount
that kicked you out of ketonuria, steady at a stable quota. �I suggest
being at that level every other week and the other weeks picking some
different carb quota. �Shake it up week by week. �It seems to work
great by the few who try it.

Yeahyeahyeah but *assuming* it actually *is* the loonytune eating plan
that's working, WHY is it working? Or is your theory that the only
thing that happened is that I'm eating differently than I did before
within reasonable caloric parameters and that caused a panic release
of six pounds of adiposity?


and it can't be water because I've been on straight lowcarb for two
months. �The bellyball that was depressing the hell out of me a week
ago is...gone? How can that be?

Possibility that has nothing to do with calories or carb counts
or calorie shifting - Is there some food that you almost always
eat that isn't in that wierd plan? �You may have a previously
unknown food intolerance that expresses itself as 6 pounds of
water bloating. �Maybe this is the first time in years you've gone
a week without eggs? �Or without dairy or whatever? �Consider
it a suspect and in a few weeks add it back in and see if the
whoosh reverse. �If it does, remove it again and write off whatever
it is as a personal poison.

Well. I thought about that too. Also could be the Rhodiola, the
probiotic, or, like you said, a delayed visit from the Skippy Removal
Team.

Maybe.

Is there truly *no possibility whatsoever* this effin thing is
actually a viable fatloss protocol?

c

Imaginary weight loss? maybe I'm Kimkins!

wrote:

c

Imaginary weight loss? maybe I'm Kimkins!

Naw, you'd need a much bigger imagination!


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