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  #11  
Old February 2nd, 2004, 12:41 PM
Roger Zoul
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Meghan Noecker wrote:
:: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:35:16 GMT, "Ear Rings" wrote:
::
::: Get some diet counselling. High sugar does not work forever. You
::: have a yeast colony in your gut that will eventually put you on
::: anxiety medication, depression medication and give you a long slow
::: terminal disease. This results in an addictive allergy. The more
::: you feed the allergy the more "lack of sugar" attacks you will have.
:::
::
:: I do agree that I need to cut more sugar. But I need a WOE that will
:: allow me to splurge sometimes on sugar without ruining my whole diet.
:: And I need to lower it over time. Going cold turkey would turn me
:: into
:: a wreck, and I would be doomed to fail. You would have to literally
:: lock me up to keep me from some form of sugar every day. Today, I had
:: a few cups of hot chocolate. Going 3 weeks without carbs is
:: inconceviable to me.

Then don't. Sounds like low fat is the way for you...............


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Old February 2nd, 2004, 01:16 PM
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Meghan Noecker wrote:
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:35:16 GMT, "Ear Rings" wrote:

Get some diet counselling. High sugar does not work forever. You
have a yeast colony in your gut that will eventually put you on
anxiety medication, depression medication and give you a long slow
terminal disease. This results in an addictive allergy. The more you
feed the allergy the more "lack of sugar" attacks you will have.


I do agree that I need to cut more sugar. But I need a WOE that will
allow me to splurge sometimes on sugar without ruining my whole diet.
And I need to lower it over time. Going cold turkey would turn me into
a wreck, and I would be doomed to fail. You would have to literally
lock me up to keep me from some form of sugar every day. Today, I had
a few cups of hot chocolate. Going 3 weeks without carbs is
inconceviable to me.


You never go completely without carbs on Atkins!


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Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com


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Old February 2nd, 2004, 03:11 PM
DigitalVinyl
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(Meghan Noecker) wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:35:16 GMT, "Ear Rings" wrote:

Get some diet counselling. High sugar does not work forever. You have a
yeast colony in your gut that will eventually put you on anxiety medication,
depression medication and give you a long slow terminal disease. This
results in an addictive allergy. The more you feed the allergy the more
"lack of sugar" attacks you will have.


I do agree that I need to cut more sugar. But I need a WOE that will
allow me to splurge sometimes on sugar without ruining my whole diet.
And I need to lower it over time. Going cold turkey would turn me into
a wreck, and I would be doomed to fail. You would have to literally
lock me up to keep me from some form of sugar every day. Today, I had
a few cups of hot chocolate. Going 3 weeks without carbs is
inconceviable to me.


Me too. For the last 20 years of my adult life I have been drinking
1/2 gallon or more a day of sugary drinks(including milk which has
about half as much sugar as Pepsi). Plus I love sweet sauces on foods.
I put ketchup on everything(an infamous childhood habit) and anything
tastes good with barbeque sauce or honey mustard. I am a chocoholic,
my favorite being Double-stuff Oreos. While I don't eat chocolate
every single day, I'd says I ate it more than half the days of my
life.

However, today is day 22. I haven't eaten chocolate or sweets in over
three weeks. The only thing I drank for 21 days is water. ON Atkins I
accomplished something I have never been able to do by willpower or
moderation. Everything you said is exactly what I thought in the past.


Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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  #14  
Old February 5th, 2004, 07:41 PM
kuhndog runner
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The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise. The
reason I say this is because no carbs = no energy. If you stick with
the 30 - 40 - 40 diet and get in 20 minutes of exercise 5 times a
week, you will encounter weight loss that is permenant and not
temporarily there until you eat two pieces of pizza!







(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109890,00.html

Atkins Attack

By Steven Milloy

Already-confused dieters are no doubt reeling from reports this week
of a new study linking a high-carbohydrate diet with weight loss.

Rather than well-conducted scientific research, though, the new study
appears to be merely a junk science-fueled attack by government
nannies on politically incorrect low-carbohydrate regimens like the
Atkins Diet (search).

"In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that by
eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose
weight without actually cutting calories - and without
exercising, either," reported The Associated Press this week.

"Revenge of the High-Carb Diet - Ha! It Works, Too" was the
Reuters headline.

But unlike the sensationalistic media, which tend to limit their
reporting of new study claims to regurgitated press releases and sound
bites from study authors, I actually read the study in the Jan. 26
issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

It didn't take long to discover why study subjects on the
high-carbohydrate diet lost weight - they ate fewer calories!

The researchers divided the 34 study subjects into three groups: a
control group of 12 individuals who consumed a low-carbohydrate diet
(search); a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate
diet; and a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate
diet and did aerobic exercise.

Study subjects were provided with foods constituting 150 percent of
their required daily caloric intake and instructed to eat as much as
they wanted. Carbohydrates constituted 45 percent of the control
groups' calories and about 62 percent for the high-carbohydrate
groups.

After 12 weeks, the study subjects on the control diet weighed the
same as when the study started. But study subjects on the
high-carbohydrate diet lost weight: about five pounds on average for
those in the high-carbohydrate-only group and about 10 pounds for
those in the high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise group.

To the study authors and media, these superficial "results" apparently
prove that you can lose weight while eating as many carbohydrates as
you like - and you don't even have to exercise.

It might be a couch potato's fantasy come true - except that the
study details tell a different story.

As it turns out, study subjects in the high-carbohydrate groups
consumed about 400-600 calories less per day than those in the control
group. Over the 12-week period of the study, then, the average study
subject in the high-carbohydrate group consumed about 42,000 calories
less than the average study subject in the control group.

Since a pound of fat represents about 3,500 calories, it's no wonder
why those in the high-carbohydrate group lost weight. It was because
they ate less, not because of any magical effects of a
high-carbohydrate diet.

Although the media's apparent lack of interest in examining the actual
study data is disappointing, the inaccurate description of the study
to the media by lead author William J. Evans of the University of
Arkansas for Medical Sciences is even more dismaying.

He told Reuters that the study subjects ate "around 2,500 calories per
day," thereby implying that the only difference in their diets was the
amount of carbohydrates. That's just plain misleading.

Control group subjects averaged 2,825 calories per day during the
12-week study; high-carbohydrate group subjects averaged 2250 calories
per day and high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise subjects averaged 2,413
calories.

Such variation over 12 weeks adds up to significant differences in
total caloric intake and is most likely what produced the observed
weight loss in the high-carbohydrate groups.

The study authors then had the audacity to slam low-carbohydrate
diets, such as the Atkins diet, as a means to lose weight.

"Little evidence exists to support this idea," wrote the study
authors.

But it appears that there's not even that much evidence in favor of
their all-the-carbs-you-can-eat idea.

It's no secret that nutrition nannies in the federal government oppose
high-protein/low-carbohydrate diets like the Atkins plan ― not
because such diets don't work but because their fat-is-OK approach
contradicts the nannies' low-fat dietary prescriptions of the last 30
years. (The irony of course is that obesity has supposedly skyrocketed
while America went low-fat.)

Evans and his group, not surprisingly, were funded by the National
Institutes of Health, a government group that claims in bold-face on
its Web site that "[High-protein/low-carb diets are] not a healthy way
to lose weight!"

That may or may not be true. Much more research is needed. Hopefully
that research won't be conducted by biased, government-funded research
hacks.


Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar
at the Cato Institute and the author of Junk Science Judo:
Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).

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Old February 5th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Jane Lumley
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In article , kuhndog
runner writes
The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise.


I run 6 miles a day, do weights three times a week, and have done Atkins
since 15 January 2003.
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Old February 6th, 2004, 09:12 AM
eff
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"kuhndog runner" wrote...
| The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise.

....and generalizations are for lazy people who refuse to take the time to learn
the whole truth.

eff


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Old February 6th, 2004, 01:16 PM
Ashara
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It seems to me that if you want to lose weight, you should eat anything you
like (this is how you'll have to eat the rest of your life..........can you
follow atkins or any other "diet" for the rest of your life?) in moderation.
Double up on the vegetables and reduce the carbs and red meat, get some
exercise every day (even if it's just dancing around a room) and you should
lose weight (not more than 2 pounds a week).

Ashara

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  #19  
Old February 6th, 2004, 01:55 PM
JC Der Koenig
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Basically true, but low carb has a few advantages such as hunger control.

--
JC

Eat less, exercise more.

--
"Ashara" wrote in message
...
It seems to me that if you want to lose weight, you should eat anything

you
like (this is how you'll have to eat the rest of your life..........can

you
follow atkins or any other "diet" for the rest of your life?) in

moderation.
Double up on the vegetables and reduce the carbs and red meat, get some
exercise every day (even if it's just dancing around a room) and you

should
lose weight (not more than 2 pounds a week).

Ashara

--









  #20  
Old February 6th, 2004, 03:15 PM
Doug Freyburger
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kuhndog runner wrote:

The atkins diet is for lazy people who refuse to excercise.


You need to work on the truthfullness of your statements. On
Atkins exercise is mandatory. If you aren't doing exercise you
are not on the plan.

The reason I say this is because no carbs = no energy.


You need to work on doing your homework. You appear unaware that
there is a one month adjustment period after which endurance is
higher than before you started and strength is at least as high.
Completely basic information from any well read body builder.

If you stick with the 30 - 40 - 40 diet


Eating 110% of the recommended calorie levels can't be good. You
need to work on doing your homework.

and get in 20 minutes of exercise 5 times a
week, you will encounter weight loss that is permenant and not
temporarily there until you eat two pieces of pizza!


Studies show that exercise is proof against adding weight back, but
that most people who lose a lot and keep it off build their exercise
program to intense levels after most of the loss. Of course doing
that would mean you aren't on Atkins since to qualify to be on the
plan you need to do the mandatory exercise from day one.
 




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